<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><!-- generator="wordpress/2.2.1" -->
<rss version="2.0" 
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/">
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Limbaugh &#38; The National Security State</title>
	<link>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2006/02/02/limbaugh-the-national-security-state/</link>
	<description>Kickin' ass on the lyin' side:  A never-ending battle against stupid, ugly, deceitful and corrupt right-wing water carriers...</description>
	<pubDate>Tue,  6 Jan 2009 22:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1</generator>

	<item>
		<title>By: buttermyself</title>
		<link>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2006/02/02/limbaugh-the-national-security-state/#comment-7</link>
		<author>buttermyself</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2006/02/02/limbaugh-the-national-security-state/#comment-7</guid>
		<description>&lt;em&gt;One really can't cut a short clip from any talk show (Rush or otherwise) and make a decent point. I was listening to Rush during this little "episode". Doing some framing yourself or taking the clip completely out of context can change the sound bite into whatever you need.&lt;/em&gt;

Care to explain exactly how Rush was taken out of context or are you just full of crap?

&lt;em&gt;For this approach to be successful would require the cognitive activity (backed by solid FACTS) that is seemingly nonexistant from arguments arising from most politicians and the left.&lt;/em&gt;

TJ, here's some information backed up by facts:
Rush Limbaugh is a &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/11/politics/main577632.shtml"&gt;drug addict&lt;/a&gt; who &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/search_results?qstring=&#38;start_month=&#38;start_day=&#38;start_year=&#38;end_month=&#38;end_day=&#38;end_year=&#38;issue=&#38;subissue=&#38;topic=&#38;person=Rush+Limbaugh&#38;show=&#38;outlet="&gt;routinely mis-states facts&lt;/a&gt;.  He makes a &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&#38;num=10&#38;hl=en&#38;btnG=Google+Search&#38;as_epq=rush+limbaugh&#38;as_oq=&#38;as_eq=&#38;lr=&#38;as_ft=i&#38;as_filetype=&#38;as_qdr=all&#38;as_occt=any&#38;as_dt=i&#38;as_sitesearch=dailyhowler.com&#38;as_rights=&#38;safe=images"&gt;joke out of our public discourse&lt;/a&gt; and is &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cursor.org/stories/fascismintroduction.php"&gt;bad for this country.&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Also, success would require that you get over your ego and humbly realize that Tony Snow's graciousness toward you this morning precipitated my comment here.&lt;/em&gt;

Wow dude, get over yourself.  Your comment was not insightful and it contributed nothing.  It was certainly no substitute for an articulate opposing viewpoint.

&lt;em&gt; &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;And that most people could care less about each time you talk to a show host, and (from what I've seen here this morning) most wouldn't spend a fleeting moment on this lame website.&lt;/em&gt;

And yet, here we are. You included.

&lt;em&gt; &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;Get the facts…for your own sake. I hate to be negative but this site really is lame. Do you have some weird thing against talk show hosts?
I'm sorry I wasted your and my time on this.&lt;/em&gt;

What are the facts he should get?  You tell Mike to get facts and offer nothing yourself but opinion.   Your preemptive apology for the post that followed was a nice touch, though.  Thanks!

&lt;em&gt; &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;I usually don't read blogs but I must say this would be easier to read if you worked on your writing some too. &lt;/em&gt;

And without a hint of irony.  Bravo!

&lt;em&gt; &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;Simply put, Rush crushed you. You reinforced his point for him, right here…and it doesn't seem you know it!&lt;/em&gt;

Babbling a kooky opinion without even  attempting to provide evidence.  Typical wingnuttery.

Let me show you how it's done:

In the clip, Rush claims that "I think that most Americans privacy rights are violated by what they have to turn over to the IRS every year about themselves than whatever this NSA project is going to show about them - most peoples privacy rights are violated right there."

Rush is conflating two separate and dis-similar issues.  The legality of the IRS collection of information for taxation purposes is not in question here.  The comparison might make sense if it was revealed that the IRS was illegally eavesdropping on taxpayers for the purposes of catching tax evaders, but this is not the case.  His comparison is a kooky diversion and he's playing his listeners for rubes when he makes it.

Rush continues, "But I think it's a straw dog. (strange babbling noises) You're you're you're unfortunately falling into a trap. You'r assuming the president has broken the law.  And you're assuming it because your Democrat buddies say so. The President says that he hasn't broken the law, the he's totally legal in doing (so)... furthermore he welcomes the hearings into this because he knows it's goind to end up like everythin else the Democrats are trying to scandalize. They're gonna have egg on their face and they're going to be embarrassed all over the country by it."

Shorter Rush Limbaugh: "It's not illegal because the President says it isn't."

If only Richard Nixon had thought of that!  Who needs the judicial and legislative branches of government when we have &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://fafblog.blogspot.com/2006_01_29_fafblog_archive.html"&gt;the all powerful W&lt;/a&gt;?  But seriously, does the President have the power to declare what is legal and what is illegal?

And here's a minor point of contention regarding his use of strawdog, which "occurs when a deliberately constructed straw man turns out to be the truth."  Is this really what Rush is trying to say or is there another definition of straw dog that I am unaware of?
.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>One really can&#8217;t cut a short clip from any talk show (Rush or otherwise) and make a decent point. I was listening to Rush during this little &#8220;episode&#8221;. Doing some framing yourself or taking the clip completely out of context can change the sound bite into whatever you need.</em></p>
<p>Care to explain exactly how Rush was taken out of context or are you just full of crap?</p>
<p><em>For this approach to be successful would require the cognitive activity (backed by solid FACTS) that is seemingly nonexistant from arguments arising from most politicians and the left.</em></p>
<p>TJ, here&#8217;s some information backed up by facts:<br />
Rush Limbaugh is a <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/11/politics/main577632.shtml">drug addict</a> who <a rel="nofollow" href="http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/search_results?qstring=&amp;start_month=&amp;start_day=&amp;start_year=&amp;end_month=&amp;end_day=&amp;end_year=&amp;issue=&amp;subissue=&amp;topic=&amp;person=Rush+Limbaugh&amp;show=&amp;outlet=">routinely mis-states facts</a>.  He makes a <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&amp;num=10&amp;hl=en&amp;btnG=Google+Search&amp;as_epq=rush+limbaugh&amp;as_oq=&amp;as_eq=&amp;lr=&amp;as_ft=i&amp;as_filetype=&amp;as_qdr=all&amp;as_occt=any&amp;as_dt=i&amp;as_sitesearch=dailyhowler.com&amp;as_rights=&amp;safe=images">joke out of our public discourse</a> and is <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cursor.org/stories/fascismintroduction.php">bad for this country.</a></p>
<p><em>Also, success would require that you get over your ego and humbly realize that Tony Snow&#8217;s graciousness toward you this morning precipitated my comment here.</em></p>
<p>Wow dude, get over yourself.  Your comment was not insightful and it contributed nothing.  It was certainly no substitute for an articulate opposing viewpoint.</p>
<p><em> </em><em>And that most people could care less about each time you talk to a show host, and (from what I&#8217;ve seen here this morning) most wouldn&#8217;t spend a fleeting moment on this lame website.</em></p>
<p>And yet, here we are. You included.</p>
<p><em> </em><em>Get the facts…for your own sake. I hate to be negative but this site really is lame. Do you have some weird thing against talk show hosts?<br />
I&#8217;m sorry I wasted your and my time on this.</em></p>
<p>What are the facts he should get?  You tell Mike to get facts and offer nothing yourself but opinion.   Your preemptive apology for the post that followed was a nice touch, though.  Thanks!</p>
<p><em> </em><em>I usually don&#8217;t read blogs but I must say this would be easier to read if you worked on your writing some too. </em></p>
<p>And without a hint of irony.  Bravo!</p>
<p><em> </em><em>Simply put, Rush crushed you. You reinforced his point for him, right here…and it doesn&#8217;t seem you know it!</em></p>
<p>Babbling a kooky opinion without even  attempting to provide evidence.  Typical wingnuttery.</p>
<p>Let me show you how it&#8217;s done:</p>
<p>In the clip, Rush claims that &#8220;I think that most Americans privacy rights are violated by what they have to turn over to the IRS every year about themselves than whatever this NSA project is going to show about them - most peoples privacy rights are violated right there.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rush is conflating two separate and dis-similar issues.  The legality of the IRS collection of information for taxation purposes is not in question here.  The comparison might make sense if it was revealed that the IRS was illegally eavesdropping on taxpayers for the purposes of catching tax evaders, but this is not the case.  His comparison is a kooky diversion and he&#8217;s playing his listeners for rubes when he makes it.</p>
<p>Rush continues, &#8220;But I think it&#8217;s a straw dog. (strange babbling noises) You&#8217;re you&#8217;re you&#8217;re unfortunately falling into a trap. You&#8217;r assuming the president has broken the law.  And you&#8217;re assuming it because your Democrat buddies say so. The President says that he hasn&#8217;t broken the law, the he&#8217;s totally legal in doing (so)&#8230; furthermore he welcomes the hearings into this because he knows it&#8217;s goind to end up like everythin else the Democrats are trying to scandalize. They&#8217;re gonna have egg on their face and they&#8217;re going to be embarrassed all over the country by it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Shorter Rush Limbaugh: &#8220;It&#8217;s not illegal because the President says it isn&#8217;t.&#8221;</p>
<p>If only Richard Nixon had thought of that!  Who needs the judicial and legislative branches of government when we have <a rel="nofollow" href="http://fafblog.blogspot.com/2006_01_29_fafblog_archive.html">the all powerful W</a>?  But seriously, does the President have the power to declare what is legal and what is illegal?</p>
<p>And here&#8217;s a minor point of contention regarding his use of strawdog, which &#8220;occurs when a deliberately constructed straw man turns out to be the truth.&#8221;  Is this really what Rush is trying to say or is there another definition of straw dog that I am unaware of?<br />
.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: benthos</title>
		<link>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2006/02/02/limbaugh-the-national-security-state/#comment-6</link>
		<author>benthos</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2006/02/02/limbaugh-the-national-security-state/#comment-6</guid>
		<description>Nice work Mike! I like this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work Mike! I like this site.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ChicoTowner</title>
		<link>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2006/02/02/limbaugh-the-national-security-state/#comment-5</link>
		<author>ChicoTowner</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2006/02/02/limbaugh-the-national-security-state/#comment-5</guid>
		<description>Great website, great idea, and great calls. I give you props for even MAKING IT ON to the shows. their screeners are the worse. Keep hitting them where it hurts, plus you need an army of callers to balance out those fools. They can't stand the truth. The liberal shows speak with facts, the kool-aid kids speak with shit they pull out of their asses that crumbles in a serious debate.

Keep kicking ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great website, great idea, and great calls. I give you props for even MAKING IT ON to the shows. their screeners are the worse. Keep hitting them where it hurts, plus you need an army of callers to balance out those fools. They can&#8217;t stand the truth. The liberal shows speak with facts, the kool-aid kids speak with shit they pull out of their asses that crumbles in a serious debate.</p>
<p>Keep kicking ass.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mike Stark</title>
		<link>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2006/02/02/limbaugh-the-national-security-state/#comment-4</link>
		<author>Mike Stark</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2006/02/02/limbaugh-the-national-security-state/#comment-4</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the feedback TJ.

Yeah, I like Tony Snow… He takes my calls every week, and as much of a Republican as he is, he is engaging and respectful.

You might learn something from him.

But you are right. I do have a rather large ego. I sure wish I could be more humble… like Rush is. But it's hard to be humble when you are always right…

Anyway, keep listening. I'll keep calling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback TJ.</p>
<p>Yeah, I like Tony Snow… He takes my calls every week, and as much of a Republican as he is, he is engaging and respectful.</p>
<p>You might learn something from him.</p>
<p>But you are right. I do have a rather large ego. I sure wish I could be more humble… like Rush is. But it&#8217;s hard to be humble when you are always right…</p>
<p>Anyway, keep listening. I&#8217;ll keep calling.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2006/02/02/limbaugh-the-national-security-state/#comment-3</link>
		<author>George</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2006/02/02/limbaugh-the-national-security-state/#comment-3</guid>
		<description>TJ,

It says it right there at the top right:
&lt;em&gt;Liars, distorters and men of ill-repute must be confronted…&lt;/em&gt;
It's not about a well reasoned response to the bloviators on the radio. There are plenty of these about. I don't presume to speak for Mike (and I must apologize for missing the meetup in DC yesterday) but his point is to meet them on their own ground. Get in some quick jabs and maybe make a wingnut or two think.
Yes, there are some problems. No, Mike is not perfect, but if you read his posts on dailyKos, you'll see that he is improving his craft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TJ,</p>
<p>It says it right there at the top right:<br />
<em>Liars, distorters and men of ill-repute must be confronted…</em><br />
It&#8217;s not about a well reasoned response to the bloviators on the radio. There are plenty of these about. I don&#8217;t presume to speak for Mike (and I must apologize for missing the meetup in DC yesterday) but his point is to meet them on their own ground. Get in some quick jabs and maybe make a wingnut or two think.<br />
Yes, there are some problems. No, Mike is not perfect, but if you read his posts on dailyKos, you&#8217;ll see that he is improving his craft.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
