Waaaa!!!
Published by Mike Stark March 13th, 2006 in Podcast, Dennis PragerAs some of you may know, one of the latest darling causes on the right is the case of the man that was assured by the girl that she couldn’t get pregnant. Of course, she did get pregnant. And she kept the baby. And the man is mad because he now has to pay child support for his kid.
Leaving aside the disgusting thought that a person wouldn’t want to support their offspring - regardless of what kind of evil bitch the mother might be - I thought this would be an opportune time to bring up one of my all-time favorite talking points… that white American men - the most powerful and advantaged class of humans to have ever walked the planet - love to whine, bitch and moan about how the whole world hates them…
Listen - I’ve seen support abuse… I knew a woman that neglected her kids and used child support money to get drunk with (and pay for booze for the freeloading boyfriend that lived with her) … So I can be sympathetic to guys that get abused by the judicial system. I think family law should probably be demolished and rebuilt to reflect today’s changed circumstances… so give me a break and don’t make this a spot to bitch about your evil ex’s, k?
BTW - I left the previous caller on the audio for a reason… Some people really believe that if you are going to sleep with a person, you should first consider whether or not you want to marry and make a family with that person…
that way of thinking is just so far removed from my ability to comprehend… So hard, in fact, that words fail me. I’m happily married now and I don’t think that there was ever a time in my life that you could say I was wildly sexually active (though not for lack of trying), but I did my share of dating. I cannot imagine weighing the merits of raising a family with each woman I slept with… Maybe I just got lucky, but my thoughts were more along the lines of enjoying each other and not finishing before she did so that we might do it again sometime…
How ’bout you single folks? You thinking “family?” every time you make sweet love?
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“Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that’s not why we do it.”
-Richard Feynman
It’s not playing for me. Not sure what the problem is.
Well, actually I do think about whether Person X would be a good person to raise a family with and whether I want the responsibility of caring for a child- but TV is enough of a tool to destroy critical thinking that I don’t expect everyone else to live by my own personal ethical standards. I think it’s sad for people to sleep around but I’m pretty sure that someone who is sleeping around thinks its sad not to sleep around. *shrugs* Whatever the case, this essentially is an argument about teaching morality.
Yes, white men are priviliged and whine alot. My father didn’t pay child support for 6 years by quitting his job and getting rehired somewhere else. I ate food that was donated to the community food pantry on more than one occasion. I take responsibility for offspring very seriously because I don’t want anyone to feel what I did; an utter and complete loathing for a parent who didn’t want to take responsibility.
Believe it or not, I’m a hardcore Democrat because of my upbringing, and because I saw through the lies/doublespeak of the conservative establishment in my community. The only people who cared whether I ate or not were the progressives and my mum. The issue of responsibility isn’t a partisan issue, but rather, one of hypocrisy versus ardent passion for a cause. Never let cynicism take hold of a cause or that cause will fall down sooner rather than later.
yeah me too…
iTunes says that the audio file is corrupted or a type that iTunes cannot play… probably corrupted, as ezsuds cannot play it either…
I got an error message as well.
Dont have to listen to the clip to get the jist of it.
Wanna know what kind of country we are turning into?
read “the handmaids tale”, once fiction, now becoming fact.
the right wing is hell bent on controlling women and their wombs.
they are going out of their way to support father and male rights groups and maligning women’s groups.
I wake up every morning hoping that the past 5 years has all been a dream, then I go to the ‘net and find that I am wide awake.
Women of this country…..WAKE TO FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
unless you have no problem with what is occuring in this twisted government….get off your asses, take to the streets
What do you guys think the right’s fascination with sex is really about? They always play the “morality” card, but I really don’t think that’s where it comes from.
Is it a response to their own insecurities about sex?
Is it just a control thing?
Repressed sexual desires that may not be considered “normal” to them and their narrow view of what sex is / can be?
What do you think?
I’m a 28 yrs old male and I’ve always held the “no harm, no foul” philosophy about sex. If its consensual, doesn’t hurt anyone and you are safe then it is your human right and privilege to enjoy your body and live your life to the fullest.
All this abstinence talk just comes from fat, white “Christian” men being ashamed of their bodies (or some repressed, deep-seeded perversion) and wanting to project their shame on everyone else.
Just my opinion, though.
If you are an adult and choose to have sex, you better be ready to deal with the consequences: namely, that sex’s biological purpose is to unite men and women in producing and rearing children.
Kind of like playing with guns and then being surprised when they go off - or something like that.
Any other way of thinking “is just so far removed from MY ability to comprehend.”
Also, if child support is required of fathers (as it jolly well should be), shouldn’t those fathers (if they are responsible) get a say in whether the baby is born or not?
And no, I’m not a troll. Just a dedicated progressive democrat who thinks that liberals are going to continue to lose this issue if they don’t admit reality.
Benthos- sex’s biological function isn’t just reproduction. The fertilization rate at best in humans is 23%. Sex has been used to keep pair matings together and it serves as a glue to keep tribes together. The previous information is from Jared Diamond’s book “The Third Chimpanzee”- pregnancy is a possible consequence of sex, and one everyone should be aware exists, but sex does more than simply serve as a reproductive function- appears that its main purposes are; pleasure seeking, displaying power dominence and possibly creating offspring..
However, we don’t have to “lose” or “win” this issue. Personal responsibility falls underneath our freedom to act. I think that libertarians are more likely to be on our Mike’s side of the issue than the Jesusland Centurions. But framing the argument the way Mike has, as in “We’re all just horny people” may be correct but it doesn’t address the high road (and hypocritical) moral argument being made from the Fundementalists.
Thanks Ravager
I recognize your first point and thought I left enough wiggle room in my comment to include keeping mates together…
There was a piece on NPR this morning about the abortion issue, and how many Americans are ready ready for a nuanced view on it. IMO the party to get there first wins a large block of votes. But when Al Gore stands up and trumpets that “he supports a woman’s right to choose” - he’s missing many of the nuances and alienating many potential voters.
A more nuanced view might go something like this “Look, I recognize that abortion can end a human life. And I’m not at all comfortable with that. And I don’t imagine that any woman who makes that choice is either. In fact I can not imagine a more difficult, even agonizing choice to make. But medical science and history have shown that when abortion is not safe and legal, many women suffer through no fault of their own. So if a woman faces this agonizing decision, she’s got to make the choice herself, hopefully with input from people she loves and trusts: her doctor, her parnter, her clergy. But Rick Santorum just isn’t part of that group. Period. And he needs to stay out of people’s personal affairs.”
Or something like this. I’ve seen liberals argue that abortion is a good thing and should be more widely practiced. Getting painted into that corner is just about as bad as the wingnut who can’t decide between a petri dish and a 2 year old. You say that and you lose.
I disagree with you on many levels. I most certainly thought about having a family when I was single and “having fun” It wasn’t like I was day dreaming about the man who would be my prince and father my children. BUT I was *very* aware that accidents happen and I chose not to engage in one-night stands. My mother always told us (me and my 6 brothers) not to sleep with someone who we wouldn’t want to have a baby with. She was not telling us to practice abstinence. She was not telling us to plan a wedding with a casual fling. She was not telling us to not have fun, but she was telling us that we had to have sex responsibly. She wanted us to ask ourselves if we could be a parent with the person we were fooling around with.
I made sure that I used the pill *and* condoms and thank god because some of the guys turned out to be LOSERS and I would be raising a child on my own and fighting in the court system. None of my brothers had to face being a “baby daddy” either.
We’re all married and with children now, btw.
Please don’t take this as being judgemental or thumbing my nose. I just believe that *some* of this mess wouldn’t happen if *both* parties were willing to take responsibility for their actions.
Proud to be a liberal.
Thanks Mom!
You people think you care so much about everyone and conservatives dont care.
Give me a break. Social programs have increased at a record pace since 2000, with conservatives in power.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060314/ts_usatoday/federalaidprogramsexpandatrecordrate
You care about everyone except the most defenseless members of society, the unborn.
Why don’t you stand up for them?
Mr.Chuck 2,
My priority is the children who are already here.
When there are no more homeless children; no more hungry children; no more children in foster care; no more children in orphanages; no more children dying from child abuse; no more children without health care… then maybe we can talk. Maybe.
She finds herself pregnant and not wanting to keep it because she just really can’t afford it. You want her to go ahead and have this baby. Are you going to adopt it? Are you going to give charitably to her to pay for the upkeep of it? Or are you complain about your taxes going to pay for it through medicare and welfare?
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t force her to keep it and then complain about her having a child that society has to pay for.
Admittedly, you personally did not make that leap, but most people that hold your opinion, do just that - complain about your taxes having to pay for the poor. Yet forcing people to bring more children in the world.
And while I’m on my soapbox - do you do any mentoring? Do you take time out to talk to young girls and boys? Do you talk to girls about respecting themselves and not falling any dumb thing a boy says? Do you talk to boys and tell them that even if she says she’s on the pill to wear a condom anyway? Do you tell boys that if they find themselves in this situation to step up to the plate and do the right thing? What would you do if your 14 year-old daughter made a mistake and had sex once and got pregnant. Do you make her keep your grandchild and raise it yourself? Do you force your child to get married? What if your child is raped? Do you make her keep the baby? Would you make your 16 year old boy drop out of school and get a job to support the neighbor girl he knocked up?
Is there *any* situation in which you would agree to an abortion?
Just asking…
It’s about personal responsibility. If people do not have sex until they are married then there really isnt any need for abortions.
Obviously in the real world, that doesn’t happen. I realize that as long as people have sex, there are going to be people who get pregnant and then say ‘oh shit i dont want this kid.”
Our society should encourage that when such a situation arises, there are plenty of answers to abortion. Adoption is a great choice considering how many infertile couples there are out there. We should not just give up on a life because it creates an inconvience.
No one is forced to have sex (except rape of course). So it is someone’s personal choice to have sex. That is where the choice is. If you chose to have sex and become pregnant you should not punish that very very small, very underdeveloped human being because you ‘dont want it.” Its not an ‘it’ its a human being, just at a very very early stage of development.
You cannot say that a child in the womb 5 sec before birth somehow ‘magically’ comes to life 5 sec later.
We should not give up on a human being just because its small and tiny and the easiest thing to do is just kill it. Thats not the society I want to live in. caring for the smallest and weakest among us is true compassion to me.
Mr. Chuck2,
I agree that people need to take responsibility for their actions, but your thoughts on marriage ending abortions is flawed. Single people are not the only ones who have abortions. I’ve volunteered at shelters for battered women and have seen married women who have left an abusive situation finding themselves pregnant and not wanting to bring a baby into situation. it’s not always ‘oh shit, I don’t want this kid” Some people do abuse the right to have an abortion but not all people do. It can be a long and agonizing decision with a million reasons why they feel they have to make that choice. Right now, I would never dream of having an abortion, but one day I might find myself in situation where that is the solution.
I wish you had answered my other questions. You really skirted the issue about what you would do. And without getting into the when is it a human being debate…. I’m not 100% sure of my feelings. Right now, I think my position is if it can survive outside of the womb, then it is a very bad thing to to attempt an abortion.But that is moot because once children can survive outside of the womb, one can no longer have an abortion except under dire circumstances.