My brief chat with Tom Tancredo
Published by Mike Stark June 29th, 2006 in UncategorizedI asked him two questions:
1) If he got everything he wanted, how many Mexicans would he legally let into the country each year? I thought I had found my answer…
2) Which is a greater threat to our country - immigration, or politicians that will say anything to be elected, but don’t know how to keep their word?
I also left a little of the conversation that came immediately before my call because… well… it’s always great to hear one wingnut bash another…
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Cut out some of Tancredo’s yapping at the beginning - barf! Less Tancredo. More Stark.
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for exposing Tom Tancredo for the lying tool that he is. Not only could he have easily refused that t-shirt, of course, or at least at some point thereafter said, “Hey, that’s not what I’m about,” but more importantly he did NOT “in the middle of [his] first term” tell his supporters that he was going to break his pledge. Please see my blog http://www.tancredowatch.blogspot.com where I’ve linked back to your call, transcribed it, and then included a newspaper article from an interview of Tancredo well into his SECOND term when he was still telling the public that he was keeping his pledge.
Thank you. Liars tend to trip up sooner or later. Tancredo just did.
Stark–
Keep beating the sh*t out of them. Wish every liberal had your cajones!
I love question number two! Too bad you doesn’t have video with it. The look on Tancredo’s face when you asked that question would have been priceless.
Tancredo said “I want those borders secure, I want you to go after employers who are actually violating the law, and I don’t want just a couple of little splashy things here and there. I want you to really and truly aggressively do this. We can solve this problem.”
It’s funny.. I’ve never seen Republicans that optimistic about fighting global warming, have you?
Good stuff, Mike.
The first question was answered in a gush of yada-yada meaning nada, but your second question highlights Tancredo’s major weakness: he is a bald-faced liar.
No, this behavior doesn’t seem to matter with the hard-core right wing, who apparently elect criminals hoping they will get a cut of the swag. But real Americans can discern the reality behind Tancredo’s desperate grasp for power by exploiting the rascist nature of the conservative “movement.” The man is vulnerable because he is on record as being a first-class hypocritical liar, whatever else his charms.
The fact that this man lied to his constituents in the most obvious, predictable and disgusting manner, and that he is still supported by “conservatives” illustrates that the whole idea of the “values voters” was and is shuck-and-jive.
This Republican/”conservative” game is about the money politicians can graft while in office. There were no principles in the “term-limits” gambit except the principle that thugs will say anything to gain power.
The Tancredo Watch blog was interesting, and infuriating. Great quote regarding the sell-out Tancredo’s flip-flop:
“Voters can count on one thing: They’ll never be able to count on Tom Tancredo.”
Unfortunately for the supporters of amnesty for illegal aliens, Cong. Tancredo will be solidly re-elected. Those who want so badly for millions of illegal aliens to be rewarded with legal status and a path to citizenship will once again see another liberal pro-illegal alien challenger lose to Cong. Tancredo. Bill Winter has said he supports the McCain-Kennedy immigration plan. The voters of Colorado’s sixth Congressional district are not going to elect someone that supports rewarding millions of illegal aliens with amnesty.
Conservative wrote:
“The voters of Colorado’s sixth Congressional district are not going to elect someone that supports rewarding millions of illegal aliens with amnesty.”
First, the Senate bill is NOT amnesty. Second , are the
voters of Colorado’s sixth Congressional district willing to pay to hire sufficient federal law enforcement personnel to forcibly deport 12 million people? I bet they aren’t! They are probably happy getting their minimal “tax cuts” from the Bush adminstration, while at the same time piling on enormous debt, that will have to be paid by their children and grandchildren. Is that the “compassionate conservative” agenda? To me it just seems greedy.
nice work , chip , chip . thanx .
The Senate immigration bill is an amnesty. Millions of illegal aliens that committed the federal crime of illegal entry will be immune from prosecution for their crimes. Further, those millions of illegal aliens will be rewarded with legal status and a path to citizenship. The McCain-Kennedy amnesty plan, supported by Bill Winter, is only a slightly worse amnesty than the Senate immigration bill, essentially the Hagel-Martinez plan.
President Bush, the “compassionate conservative”, like the thirty-eight (38) Senate Democrats, a minority of Senate Repubulicans, as well as apparently you, support giving legal status to millions of illegal aliens and giving them a path to citizenship. I do not.
You present the same false choice of forcibly deporting twelve million (12,000,000) illegal aliens or rewarding them with legal status and a path to citizenship. If this nation’s borders were secured and enforced and the laws regarding the employment of illegal aliens were vigorously enforced, the number of illegal aliens in this country would be signficantly reduced without any need for forcibly deporting twelve million (12,000,000) people.
The above post should have stated that it was addressed to “Ezsuds81″.
My post should have read “You present the same false choice of forcibly deporting twelve million (12,000,000) illegal aliens or rewarding them with legal status and a path to citizenship as President Bush”.
The illegal aliens come here for jobs and benefits. If the government starts penalizing employers for hiring them, and stops giving the illegals handouts and educating their children, the illegals will go away to some place where they can find work or get handouts. They won’t stay in a country where they cannot work or get government benefits. Any that do stay should be deported when discovered.
As Rep. Tancredo has said, all we have to do is start enforcing the laws on the books. There really is not a need for new legislation. In the last year for which they have statistics only four companies were fined for employing illegals. What a joke.
There is a great editorial on the subject in today’s Rocky Mountain News. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/opinion/article/0,1299,DRMN_38_4815032,00.html
Conservative wrote:
“You present the same false choice of forcibly deporting twelve million (12,000,000) illegal aliens or rewarding them with legal status and a path to citizenship as President Bush”.
I’m not saying they have to be given a path to citizenship. I’m sure many would prefer to hold on to their foreign citizenship, and just stay under a guest worker program. I think a path to citizenship, where the people have to successfully complete a number of steps (Language fluency, pay a fine, pass a criminal background check, wait a number of years etc. ), is a reasonable solution to the problem. I see no benefit in trying to make these people leave their jobs and their lives here in the states. With 4.6% unemployment, how do you plan to fill all the job vacancies that would be created if all those here illegally were forced to leave the country?
Conservative wrote:
“Millions of illegal aliens that committed the federal crime of illegal entry will be immune from prosecution for their crimes. ”
It’s my understanding that their entry is a “civil infraction”. This is the reason I believe that a fine would be justified as one of the requirements to be completed on the path to citizenship.
Conservative wrote:
“If this nation’s borders were secured and enforced and the laws regarding the employment of illegal aliens were vigorously enforced, the number of illegal aliens in this country would be signficantly reduced without any need for forcibly deporting twelve million (12,000,000) people.”
I agree the border should be secured and enforced. I just don’t envision a large federal workforce enforcing the laws on hiring of illegal workers. It seems like a better soultion to me to focus on the border security aspect of the program. Over the long term , if border security is successful, you won’t have a large supply of NEW undocumented warriors. Let’s get the border secured, get those here now documented (via guest worker or path to citizenship) and move on to other issues.
Common Sense wrote:
“stops giving the illegals handouts and educating their children”. I think it is a requirement that ALL children in this country are entitled to public education through high school. I’d prefer that if they are going to be in this country, that they be educated. You also have to understand that many of these children are US citizens.
Conservative: what are we securing our southern border from? Hispanics?
All the terrorists on 911 came through Canada…
Ezsuds81:
Your understanding about illegal entry is wrong. Below is a copy of Title 8, Section 1325 of the United States Code:
Section 1325. Improper entry by alien
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the
purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be
imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than
$250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise
for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws
shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance
with title 18, or both.
whys everyone so scared of (illegal) Americans
Isaac wrote:
“whys everyone so scared of (illegal) Americans”
1. Jobs lost
2. Wages depressed
3. Increased crime
4. Increased government costs
5. Disease
And the list goes on …….
Ezsubs82 wrote:
“I’d prefer that if they are going to be in this country, that they be educated.”
We are talking about having them leave. If we enforce the laws as written, your assumption that “they are going to be in this country” is a false one.
Common Sense wrote:
“We are talking about having them leave. If we enforce the laws as written, your assumption that “they are going to be in this country” is a false one.
How long do you think it will take to have all the illegals out of the country?
You previously wrote of when the government “stops giving the illegals handouts and educating their children,
They are here, we should educate them while they are here. Some by virtue of birth, are citizens. Those that are not citizens still deserve a public education. I think there are too many uneducated people already, no need to make that situation worse.
Conservative poster Title 8, Section 1325 of the United States Code:
It seems to me that there is much discussion of civil penalties in the code. Many of the people here are visa overstays (reportedly between 35% and 50% of all that are here illegally) , that would be about 4 to 6 million people. I believe that they would be subject to civil penalties. I think that all that are here illegally should be treated the same way, whether they overstayed their visa , or crossed the border illegally . Either way, they are here illegally.
Ezsuds81:
Illegal entry into the United States is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE. According to Title 8, Section 1325(a), an alien who improperly enters the United States shall, for the first commission of that offense, “be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of [that] offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both”. Therefore, illegal entry into the United States can be charged as a misdemeanor or felong offense. Further, Title 8, Section 1325(b) provides that “[c]ivil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed”.
Any illegal alien that has illegally entered the United States has committed the offense of improper entry by an alien. Depending on the circumstances, it may have been a misdemeanor or a felony offense. The Senate immigration bill gives amnesty to millions of illegal alien that commited the crime of improper entry by an alien. Further, millions of illegal aliens that committed the crime of improper entry by an alien would also be granted legal status and allowed to pursue a path to citizenship.
Under the Senate immigration bill, as I understand, illegal aliens that committed the crime of improper entry by an alien and illegal aliens that are visa overstayers would be treated the same. In my opinion, none of those illegal aliens should be given legal status and a path to citizenship.
The next to the last sentence of the above post was meant to state “Under the Senate immigration bill, as I understand it, illegal aliens that committed the crime of improper entry by an alien and illegal aliens that are visa overstayers would be treated the same”.
Bobby Mcgee wrote
“All the terrorists on 911 came through Canada…”
Urban Myth.
They were on legal US visas issued by the USA.
They were let into the country by US Border Guards from either Europe or the Middle East .
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38816-2005Apr8.html