Musta been a devil-worshipper
Published by Mike Stark July 23rd, 2006 in Uncategorized
So… Part of the mystery shall now be revealed. Evan Derkacz from Alternet (he writes Peek - a best of blogs feature) was running the videocamera. I arrived with Evan during the 4:30 radio show break. Hannity took advantage of the break to sign some autographs.
You’ll hear it in the audio when I post the movie, but Hannity says as he’s walking back to the microphone, “I just can’t believe we let him in the… room.” Then when he gets on the microphone, the first thing he says is what you hear on the attached audio - he warns his audience that a radical liberal from a far left website is wandering around with a video camera waiting for people to say something stupid.
Evan caught this on video less than 90 seconds after Hannity made that announcement. Hint: look in the upper left corner.
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Thank you for posting this. It is amazing to hear their hate-filled rhetoric presented as “fun” to cheering crowds. I guess it doesn’t take an inteview to hear them say ridiculous things and if the NY Times is their idea of stupidity, then I guess it’s really easy to consider the source. I hope it makes most of the veterans attending embarrassed.
Pathetic. Just pathetic.
Somebody was wearing a “Marry Me Ann” shirt? Yeesh.
The crowd in the picture looks fairly massive, any ballpark figure of how many people actually attended?
you’re looking at half the stadium in this pic. there were two sets of bleachers - this on and one to the left.
the concert, though, was larger - in a larger venue. I’m not sure how many tickets were sold to that, but I’m guessing a few thousand.
What is really impressive about the crowd is all the diversity! I think I see Irish, Norwegians, Swedish, Polish, Belgians, Germans, a few Italians - even some French!
Interesting. Unlike Bush, they can’t control the audience and what they say and who attends under the guise of “national security” or presidential protection, so Sean(right off the bat) tells the crowd “the enemy is here!” so that they won’t release what they really feel.
Why did he feel the need to say it? Because he knew that his crowd wouldn’t disappoint you unless they were told to be on their best behavior.
I’m glad you are a former Marine. Why? Because by identifying you in the crowd they also targeted you for potential violence. Thanks Sean. Way to unleash a potential mob. I’m sure nobody would have anticipated his peaceful crowd would react violently.
“Hey! There are 2,000 of us and two of them, as liberals he probably doesn’t have a gun, heh, heh, heh” I’m sure that was how the “thinking” process of a few of those goons went.
BTW, in your shopping don’t forget the Daily Show.
Love what Man-Coulter says about the liberals interviewing the attendees and lying about what they said — is she serious? How, if one is recording them, could you possible “lie” about what they said if they, in fact, said it?
These idiots have no rational reasoning or logical processes going on in their brains.
I don’t get it. What’s in the upper left corner? Who must’ve been a devil worshipper?
lady is holding a “God Bless the USA” sign upside down
Hmmm, took out the top bits of this picture and upgraded the lowers. There is a big looming shadow on the back wall way up in that corner shaped like cheney.
Looking at the photo, there is one stark thought (other than how shallow the gene pool is in the hannity listening audience, that is)…The race. I’d say it looks like the crowd gathered for a Klan lynching, but at a Klan lynching, there is at least one African American present. And Hannity thinks his listening audience represents America? Welcome to the modern Republican Right.
It was quit e a diverse crowd. We even had blacks and Koreans. Funny thing, good old Mike is in traditional liberal form. Had to use other people money in order to get to the concert. Just like a liberal! He’s all for spending money, just as long as it’s not his!
Pete isn’t quite be honest, but that is probably too much to expect from a wingnut. I saw two blacks in all the film I reviewed - and one was on stage! I didn’t see any asians at all…
And as far as the source of my funding goes - I thought wingnuts were all for entrrepenuership, taking chances and rewarding hard work. I’ve spent over 1,000 hours working on this site in the six months I’ve been running it. As I noted previously, total donations to the site so far total about $2,000. Hosting fees and other expenses (phone, internet, equipment, travel, subscriptions, etc.) have quite possibly exceeded $2,000.
So he can criticise me for not being a very good entrepenuer if he wants… but that’s about it..
I am just curious to know how much money was raised for the Freedom Alliance Scholarship Fund. I’m sure Mike wouldn’t object to his readers donating to this worthwhile cause Here. Thanks for your support!
Rich:
I would rather my readers donate to progressive candidates for office because if we had a responsible gov’t, we wouldn’t need Freedom Alliance to raise money for our fallen soldiers kids. Our gov’t would provide scholarships for the children of the sailors, airment, Marines and soldiers that gave their lives in defense of this country.
Instead, republicans want to give out no-bid contracts to Halliburton and tax-breaks to CEO’s and Paris Hiltons…
Mike,
You really hurt my feelings there, I was just trying to be nice.
Mike, you have to open your eyes in order to see things. How am I not being honest? I saw plenty of blacks and Asians. Since I am sure you consider yourself all knowing, who was the black gentleman on stage? Also, why cant you libs debate without resorting to name calling? I am all for honest debate, but when you stoop to the level of first graders, my patience wear thin.
Hey Pete: your email is “libsliewedie”, so perhaps we can leave the false victimology at the door. And when chhosing your lies, you should be careful not to pick one that can be easily refuted by video evidence. I’ve got about an hour of video and amongst it are pan shots of the concert and the radio broadcast. We specifically looked for diversity within the crowd. i had some questions lined up for black wingnuts. We couldn’t find any - except the guy on stage and one guy wearing a “Freedom isn’t Free” tee-shirt in the grandstand. (I was ejected before I could talk to him).
We don’t have a single Asian on film that I remember. And my wife is Chinese, so I’m kind of attuned to that type of thing.
How have I lied? There were blacks and Asians at the concert. That is what I said. Does it matter how many? Friends of mine that are Asian were there so how did I lie? And yes you libs do lie and are always called on it.
Well, you did say plenty, which is at best subjective. Nice grade 1 retort by the way…
Pete,
Isnt there a war you have to go fight in?
What are you doing here? Go to Iraq and protect our freedom, you hypocrite!
I believe this is Pete’s favorite site… it looks like he even took a few of these pictures.
The fat black guy you see in the pics is the one they brought up on stage with them.
Other than him, any asians? Any other brown people?
http://marklevinfan.com/PhotoAlbum/thumbnails.php?album=43
they’ve got almost 100 pics (or more) - and I’m just not seeing any black people. I wonder where all the “some of my best friends are black” best friends are!
Thanks Mike. Nice job. I’m looking forward to the footage.
I’ve kicked in $25 to help cover the costs.
Pete echos the typical republican response. I call it the “country club” mentality. When asked about diversity, the pat answer is “Asians? I’m pretty sure we got one of them. Hispanics? I seen a couple of them too” Pete, here’s a clue. When the 100 mile area surrounding six flags contains a minority representation approaching forty percent of the population, and a crowd shot of the Hannity show exhibits less than one minority for every 99 whites, the minority representation is “token” at best. It is clear whar audience Hannity appeals to. Do you even realize how rediculous it is to even attempt to argue that the Hannity audience is in any way inclusive and racially mixed? Give it up! For goodness sakes, man…Stand up and be proud of your cracker haritage!
Pete, are you counting Michelle Malkin as the Aisan you saw in the crowd?
you’re a brave man, good work
Hey Mike! I spotted the black guy! This is fun…It’s like playing “Where’s Waldo”!!!!
Mark Levin actually has FANS? Geez…I tried listening to the guy’s show one time and lasted a whole nine minutes before I had to pull the car over and take an Excedrin. The guy has such a fingernails-on-the-chalkboard voice that it makes me wonder if he did the Alien voiceovers for the movie “Mars Attacks” (ACK-ACK…ACK-ack-ACK!)
Fat black guy, cracker, wingnuts. Amazing how astute the liberal vocabulary is. Thought I could have an honest and educated debate, but the just is no dealing with the mentally challenged. Have fun you misinformed losers. Leave to the real Americans to keep our country safe. You all have been on the wrong side of history for so many decades, I guess there is no going back on your end.
In response to Pete’s post from Jul 24th, 2006 at 8:36 am, ARE YOU INSANE OR BLIND? I went through that whole 154 pictures at MarkLevinFan and saw (1) one black fella and (1) one oriental women. I will admitt there were several shots of these two. The rest of pictures could just have easily been taken at a Klan rally in rural Alabama, not NJ. I’m orginally from NY, I love NY, but these types remind me of Sugarland TX. The old guy that Hanity calls Marty was kind of like the grand pooh-bah or wizard or what-ever they call him. Oh, and BTW I saw the bug chaser brought his hammer. Lastly, Ann Coulter looks drunk in that hairy photo. Either that or crazy. Maybe both.
Pete,
We’ve been on the wrong side of history? Are you frickin’ crazy?
If conservatives had been in power throughout history, your wife wouldn’t be working, your single black friend couldn’t vote and still be owned by some white, your single Asian friend would still be in an internment camp, you’d have no retirement plan, no insurance, the 40 hour work week would be just a dream, kids would still be working in coal mines at 10 years old, millions more per year would be dying due to air and water pollution than already are, your beef would not be inspected or medicines tested, there would be no seat belts in your car to protect your kids and no public education to educate them, and we’d still be part of Great Britain.
Those have been the things conservatives have fought tooth and nail to conserve, prevent or do away with throughout American history. (BTW, don’t confuse ideology with party affiliation if you feel compelled to start spewing something about Lincoln or Dixiecrats).
Conservatism is a sociopathic disorder that should be treated with the appropriate medication and if conservatives had any sense of their own history they’d shut the f*ck up out of embarrassment and shame.
Sheesh.
Anyone remember Ann Coulter this past year saying to a group of college kids some BS like “I don’t debate people dumber than me”? Man Mike, I don’t know how the crowd eats people like this up.
Just to let you know, I emailed the details of this event to the COUNTDOWN site at MSNBC…..this story along with the upcoming San Diego Freedom concert would be a big story, right up Olbermann’s alley….Let’s hope you two get together and work something out, this could be the makings of great TV…take care….
Yeah Pete, we’ve “been on the wrong side of history for so many decades”. Let’s see, your side wanted slavery, no women suffrage, no voting rights, no gay rights… sorry Pete, but you’ve lost on every social issue your side has ever supported. And you shall continue to do so.
As to the “real Americans keeping this country safe”, I guess you’re referring to Kilmeade, Limbaugh, Hannity, et. al., absolutely none of whom has ever had the balls to put on a uniform and actually defend America, as Mike Stark did.
As for lowball name-calling, I believe Mister Coulter holds the trophy on that one, doesn’t he?
Pete seems to have gone baa-aack to the flock. He discovered that Sean Hannity doesn’t control the microphone, what Sean calls the “truth” turns out to be nothing more that carny tricks and smoke and mirrors. It’s amazing how every time Hannity gets caught in a true debate, you know, one NOT on his show or in front of a setup audience, he ends up slinking away with his tail between his legs. Explains why he will never debate in an environment outside of his control. On another topic, Just saw a quick video clip of the Free-Dumb concert…it’s amazing how the crowd erupted in choruses of bleats every time that Sean told them how baa-aaad “liberals” were. What a bunch of sheep.
In addition, as to Coulter’s remark, I’d be willing to bet that less than 3% of that audience could even find the NY Times, let alone read it.
Pete, don’t bother. The left are more racist and less tolerant than they even accuse the right of being. They are the ones so race conscious. The right accepts and gathers all colors together while the left wants to segregate and divide them apart into separate groups. About tolerance and freedom of speech; the left ONLY believes in tolerance IF it is in agreement with their views. They want to shut down anyone not in lock-step with them, especially conservatives. They work to shut down people like Sean, Mark, and Rush. Look what they did to Anita Bryant in the ’70’s. And what they do to their own now…like to Hillary with her support, sometimes, for the war. Or how they have dragged Sen. Lieberman over the coals for his support of the war. And HE has voted with the left over 90% of the time. Eve the DU website is a great example of their non-tolerance. The delete anything and ban anyone not conforming to the radical, anti-American views. But most “right-wing” sites, although there are rules, you do not generally get banned for your VIEWS. Heck, the Hannity forums tends to be more lenient to these rather “left-wing” posters. Overall, it doesn’t make sense. Except to say that the left seems quite hypocritical. So Pete, let not your heart be troubled. You are fighting a war of wits against an unarmed enemy here…
True that Jeff. Ann Coulter looks nauseous because she’s stuck in a cage with all the sweaty mouth-breathers that she usually keeps at a safe distance. Her fans should know that just because she hates “liberals” it doesn’t follow that she likes any of them.
It’s very telling that Hannity and Coulter warned the crowd to put on their PC hats for the camera. They know that all the nuance and refinement of their politics is lost on their audience and all that gets through their brain filters is hate.
Looks like a Casting Call for a remake of “Deliverence”
Example of the unpredictability of propaganda -
Here in Boston the Big Dig tunnel collapses on a woman from Costa Rica and callers on the Michael Graham show say that Bechtel cannot be sued. Why? Rumor has it she’s illegal and illegals have no rights.
So Michael Graham is forced to bat down caller after caller and impress upon them human rights and the intricacies of international law. Point being, the myopic logic that’s sold as intelligence on these shows is unsuitable for the real world. At best it leads to embarassing verbal gaffes that Mike and Evan were hunting for at the concert. At worst it’s Machete Radio that labeled Tutsi as traitorous cockroaches preceding the Rwandan genocide.
You all dont know your history. The KKK was started by democrats. And is was Republicans who got the equal rights going. Have a nice liberal fantasy day.
Pete, using the term Republican and Democrat to connect parties with ideologies 50, 100 and 150 years seperate is disingenuous. A Democrat from 1850 is NOTHING like a Democrat from 2000. Hell, a Democrat from 1940 is almost nothing like a Democrat from today.
Use terms Conservative and Liberal as those philosophies in US culture offer a common point of reference.
Pete, did you ever take the simple time to recognize that parties change over the course of a century? lol, get some new arguments.
I just perused the photos, too. I’ve seen much more diversity at NASCAR races. lmao
Pete, btw, when people voluntarily hand over money to someone performing an important service, that’s called CAPITALISM. Idiot.
“You all dont know your h(an)istory. The KKK was started by democrats.” Really, Pete? And just where did you locate the voting record of past members of the KKK? Sounds like something you would have to be a card-carrying member to find out. Hop in the wayback machine, Sherman, and let’s have a good look at “history” son…It was Harry Truman who integrated the military. It was JFK that sent the national guard into Selma to integrate schools, which caused southern Dixiecrats to begin voting republican in the 1960s. It was Lyndon Johnson who pushed the voting rights act through congress….you know, the same voting rights act that our current republican congress attempted to sunset until they were shamed into passage just one short week ago. Funny…”history” and hanistoey seem to be a little in conflict, son. Class is dismissed…now be a good little boy and go clap the erasers.
Pete,
Step away from that big pitcher of Kool-Aid!
Regarding the 1964 Equal Rights Act:
Hannity tries to portray the passage of this act as proof that Republicans were more supportive of civil rights than were the Democrats. The truth is that the split was more regional than political.
“Southern Democrats were staunch foes of civil rights in the 1960s, Southern Republicans, though fewer in number, were equally adamant in their opposition to civil rights legislation.”
“However, a slightly more careful analysis of the Civil Rights Act voting record shows a distinct split between Northern and Southern politicians. Among the southern states (Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia), Senate Democrats voted 1-21 against the bill (5%) while Republicans voted 0-1 (0%).”
(Northern Democrats supported the bill 46-1 (98%) and Northern Republicans supported the bill 27-5 (84%).)
“In the House, southern Democrats voted 7-87 (7%) while southern Republicans voted 0-10 (0%) Among the remaining states, Democrats voted 145-9 in favor of the bill (94%) while Republicans voted 138-24 for the bill (85%). In both the North and the South, Democrats supported the 1964 Civil Rights Act at a higher rate than the Republicans.
http://www.holycross.edu/departments/economics/vmatheso/edit8.htm
Again, this is not an attempt to call Republicans racist. Without the support of Northern Republicans, the bill would not have passed. The reason being that only 8 out of about 130 Southern members of Congress voted For the Legislation, and they were all democrats.
“But most “right-wing” sites, although there are rules, you do not generally get banned for your VIEWS.”
Dumb argument to really wasted breath on but I had to point something out. You’re so wrong. I’ve tried to be a member of Ann Coulter’s forum. Banned within a week, for nothing more than profane-free leftist viewpoints. Go to Conservative Life. See what happens to people that have a liberal argument.
On the flipside go to Ruthless Reviews forum. They hate their neocons there but they rack up thousands of posts.
Again dumb argument but you’re completely and totally wrong.
Pete, Belly up to the bar and learn the TRUTH about the 1915 origins of the modern KKK…you ain’t gonna like what you hear son, but sometimes the trugh hurts…I quote from Wikipedia:
BEGIN QUOTE
The second Ku Klux Klan was founded with a new anti-immigrant and anti-Semitic agenda. The bulk of the founders were from an organization calling itself the Knights of Mary Phagan, and the new organization emulated the fictionalized version of the original Klan presented in The Birth of a Nation. D. W. Griffith’s The Birth of a Nation glorified the original Klan, which was by then a fading memory.
In keeping with its origins in the Leo Frank lynching, the reorganized Klan had a new anti-Jewish, anti-Catholic, nativist and strong anti-Communist slant. This was consistent with the new Klan’s greater success at recruiting in the U.S. Midwest than in the South. As in the Nazi party’s propaganda in Germany, recruiters made effective use of the idea that America’s problems were caused by Blacks, Jewish bankers, and Jewish communists or by other such groups.
The new Klan differed from the original one in that while the first Klan had been Democratic and Southern, this new Klan, although it still boasted members from the Democratic Party, was to a greater degree Republican and was influential throughout the United States, with major political influence on politicians in several states.
In the 1920s and 1930s a faction of the Klan called the Black Legion was very active in the Midwestern U.S. Rather than wearing white robes, the Legion wore black uniforms reminiscent of pirates. The Black Legion was the most violent and zealous faction of the Klan, and were notable for targeting and assassinating communists and socialists.
The second Ku Klux Klan rose to great prominence and spread from the South into the Midwest and Northern states and even into Canada. At its peak, Klan membership exceeded 4 million and comprised 20% of the adult white male population in many broad geographic regions, as high as 40% in some areas. Most of the membership resided in Midwestern states.
Through sympathetic elected officials, the KKK controlled the governments of Tennessee, Indiana, Oklahoma, and Oregon in addition to some of the Southern legislatures. Klan influence was particularly strong in Indiana, where Republican Klansman Edward Jackson was elected governor in 1924, and the entire apparatus of state government was riddled with Klansmen.
END QUOTE
I guess Sean forgot to fill you in on that part, huh?
Yeah, right Jeremy. Most libs cannot post using something profane, anti-Semitic, anti-American, or just downright vile. To the libs, calling for the death or beating of a conservative is fair game…
But I did say “most”, not all.
But by you saying, “I’ve tried to be a member of Ann Coulter’s forum. Banned within a week, for nothing more than profane-free leftist viewpoints…” leads me to believe otherwise.
I kinda get the feeling that Jebster/Pete are both 5 foot nothing, weighing in at about a buck thirty a piece. Real Mr. Burns types.
Oh, ouch. You really cut to the bone there Erik. Took you all day to think of that I guess. Wow, really witty…
jebster, you didnt answer the question.
Are you 5 foot nothing?
Personally, I think you are a construction worker type.
Strong back, weak mind.
One telling remark from Jebster’s rant a ways back:
“Look what they did to Anita Bryant back in the 70s.”
Wow, Jebster, you really want to defend that woman’s erroneous and outright bigoted stance on homosexuality, a stance that has been repudiated over the past 30 YEARS?!? (Except of course by the Bible thumpers, but there’s NO talking to them).
In Jebster’s world, blacks, gays and women would all be “in their place”, and the great social strides of the past 30 years would be erased: a wonderful world for rich Republican white men. Sounds like a Hannity Freedom Concert.
i thought this was a concert to support the troops, not a liberal bashing platform.
hannity is a very sad man.
Tony, actually, 6′-1″, 205#…retired Army. Go ahead, I know you want to attack that too. And I don’t work construction, although I am a pretty good carpenter and can do almost anything in the home repair field. Thank you for the construction worker compliment, too. Some of the hardest working men and women, but most of them I know, have strong minds as well.
Troll, the point was that the left wanted to shut her down and the OJ industry (remember she was doing the advertising for them). My point was not her views specifically, (and I never said I agreed or disagreed with her views) but the fact that the left wants to boycott, shut down, get off the air, etc, anyone they don’t agree with.
And in my world, we accept others and their views all together. We do not separate everyone into these little groups and then try to bait one against the other. Sure, I may not agree with someone, but I do not call for their death, as has happened quite often from your side.
In looking through the Levin photos, I see lots of caucasian folks with nice suntans. Maybe Pete and his ilk count these people as “colored?”
Jebster, I have to laugh out loud at your comment:
“And in my world, we accept others and their views all together. We do not separate everyone into these little groups and then try to bait one against the other. Sure, I may not agree with someone, but I do not call for their death, as has happened quite often from your side.”
How about O’Reilly calling for the terrorists to attack San Francisco? Ann Coulter saying the NY Times editors should be put in front of a firing squad? And don’t even get me started about that hate and violence-spewing wingnut Michelle Malkin.
Give me a fucking break….I can’t believe I am even wasting my time to respond to you bullshit.
“And in my world, we accept others and their views all together. We do not separate everyone into these little groups and then try to bait one against the other. Sure, I may not agree with someone, but I do not call for their death, as has happened quite often from your side.”
Jebster, That’s silly. First off I would consider your consistant use of “libs” a good example of “separat[ing] everyone into these little groups and then try to bait one against the other.”
As far as “your side” not calling for the death of those they disagree with, my answer is simple, Two words: Ann Coulter.
Think about it man, no one is giving you crap about what you believe, no one is suggesting we kill Sean Hannity and his like minded radio blowhards. Here’s the thing though, You’re misrepresenting your own side… How many times have Sean, Rush, Ann etc called for the boycott/destruction of Air America? I seem to remember boycotts all over Right Wing radio…(France immediately comes to mind)
I think you should take a very honest look at those you consider to be on “Your side” and really ask yourself if they actually speak for you.
That’s an interesting arguement, Jeb. So it’s wrong to boycott a woman who slammed homosexuals and try to affect change to the industry she represented though the capitalist system, but it’s fine to try and silence the N.Y. Times by sending a McVeigh-type attack (Coulter) or to intimidate reporters by posting their names and addresses, not to mention where their kids go to school, so they can be “dealt with” (Malkin). While you may not personally call for death, others in your ideological makeup sure do, and with great frequency (you guys have an interesting way to make creme brulee.)
Sorry I really don’t see that as acceptance, so your world must really have a strange dictionary.
And you really can’t separate groups in your world. Take a look at the conservative delegation in Congress. I think the last numbers showed it was about 95% white. The only time you try and separate groups is when you want to “invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert” them. (Coulter again).
Whoever said O’Reilly was a conservaitive. He doesn’t claim that honor.
Those pictures you don’t see any people of different races in are just a small representation of the crowd there. Which for Mr Stark’s information numbered 13,000 not a couple of thousand.
Cosmo, I do not support this type of rhetoric coming from my side of the aisle either, but this is the mainstay of the left. For every conservative spewing this hate, there are thousands on the left doing the same. But I do agree, IF the NY Times editors are tried fairly for treason, or anyone else for that matter, then them as punishment would not be out of the question. No matter what the political slant of the traitor…once convicted. And yes, I think the Times SHOULD be investigated. And Cos, if you think you are wasting your time here, the DU is still open for another anti-American…you seem the type.
Andy, “your side” has done the separating. They have for years. And I answered YOUR Coulter remark above. About Air America, no one is calling for it to shut down, but it is killing itself with the pathetically low ratings. But when someone like Rhodes calls for the death of the pres, then yes, she should be taken off the air. She should be in jail for that; it is a federal felony. Or because she is a lib, she gets a pass?
Douggie, are you using again? Jees…
Re: “For every conservative spewing this hate, there are thousands on the left doing the same.”
Examples (with cites) please?
Jebster,
Got your back on carpenters and the like. That’s not what I do for a living now, but know my way around a furniture shop and will say that most of my previous co-workers were good, kind, salt-of-the-earth guys just wanting to take care of their families.
I’m old enough to remember the Anita Bryant thing. Here’s the deal. What the progressive community has watched the regressive community do for centuries is fear and demonize others: American Patriots, Indians, Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Muslims, intellectuals, gays, foreign car drivers, hippies, Catholics, and those not so good at sports. It’s an obsession with you guys that would almost be comical if it didn’t so often result in invasions, lynchings, inquisitions, harrassment, denial of opportunity and people occasionally being dragged behind a truck until their heads come off.
But what we’ve also noticed about those so driven by such primitive urges is that the drive of another primitive urge-accumulation-is strong in them as well. Regressives right now are selling out the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the very spirit of America along with their personal honor for a quick buck and some shabby security.
We just put two and two together in an occasional boycott.
Wow. Really man, look at the facts.
Thousands on the left? Please provide some examples.
Air america just started. If you’d like a comparison, look up how much money FOX news lost when it started. And considering that the right wing radio posse have been doing this a lot longer, I think that alone puts your argument to rest.
You really need to rely on sources other that Right Wing radio/FOX for your news. It’s really coming through on your posts. Please provide proof that Rhodes said that the president should be killed. I’m pretty sure I know of the incident your speaking of, and she was investigated. Turns out, there was nothing to it. But then again, your not interested in that are you?
All your arguments resemble what you say “the left” is doing.
By the way, it’s also a crime to call for the assination of a foreign leader, I’ll support your call for the 700 club to be pulled from the air, along with Ann Coulter who has advocated a terrorist attack on the NY Times, and Bill O. who just recently called for the Mafia Hit of Jerry Springer. Just to name a few.
But if we pulled everyone who advocated the death of their political rivals, Air America’s ratings would only improve, because they wouldn’t have any competition.
Rhodes
Carville
Kerry
Kennedy
Schumer
Clinton x2
Durban
Reid
McKinney
99.9% of the posters at DU.com
Sharpton
Jackson
Farrakhan
Fraken
Biden
Rather
Baldwin
I think you know their words. But I know you will excuse them all because you probably agree with them…the lies, the calls for murder, beatings, stonings, etc. All the anti-American rantings, how horrible this country is and how great country are, like Cuba, China, the former USSR, any socialist country that stifles all opposition, does not allow freedoms, with strong central governments that control all aspects of one’s life… For all the rhetoric you spew about freedom of the press/speech/choice, etc, you praise these countries that are completely contrary. You would deny these freedoms to everyone but you select elite few, of course, you included. You disgrace and spit on everything good about this country. You support everything and anything that would destroy America. You support the very forces that would separate your head from your body.
Further, you crap over those willing to give their lives to protect this country and the freedoms we hold so dear. We are willing to defend this country no matter who is in the Whitehouse. And you degrade us.
Yeah, you are a real fine patriot and American, aren’t you!?!
Jebster - please go watch this compilation of the twisted rants of Ann Coulter -> http://mediamatters.org/items/200606280001
Then come back here and tell us, does she speak for you? And I defy you to find anything even remotely similar coming from any progressive. Good luck. Idiot.
Wow, Jebster…I’d have seriously tagged you as a “yellow elephant” barcolounger pilot…when/where/what branch did you serve?
Jebster - giving a list of names is not the same as providing “cites”. Just the same old rhetoric, no examples, culminating into an argument that I am unpatriotic or un-American.
Fuck you, dickhead.
I am a proud, moral, honest, decent, compassionate American who loves this country and is sickened by what the neo-cons have done to destroy the constitution, stir up hatred of gays, illegals and “brown people” in general, while denying scientific evidence of global warming, who claim that a blastula is a “life” that can be “murdered”, while sacrificing the lives of 2500 soldiers for a war we were lied into, who have set this country’s reputation as the world leader of democracy back 70 years.
If you call what the neo-cons are doing “patriotic” I would ask “patriotic” to whom? Our enemies? Must not be America, because they are destroying our country.
There ya go Cos, right to the vulgarities to accentuate my point.
You love nothing Cos except trashing and destroying this country. You would do anything to see this country destroyed from within or with out…doesn’t matter to you. You just want America to be some socialist haven where everyone suffers equally…except of course, you elite wonks.
Pal, it’s been tried and fails every time. People risk death to leave countries like that.
You truly are a pathetic human being. You are NOT “moral, honest, decent, compassionate American who loves this country…” You are a sick little vermin infested rodent who HATES America. You drip hated for this country. Rancid, disgusting hatred. I pity you and anyone who has to ever be near you.
That’s a neat list. I could make one too.
Just curious. What were the Anti-American/Hate Speach/calls for death quotes from the Clintons?
You presume to know a lot about what I think about this country. Your blanket statements, don’t represent anyone here, least of all me.
I’ll take particular issue with this one:
“Further, you crap over those willing to give their lives to protect this country and the freedoms we hold so dear. We are willing to defend this country no matter who is in the Whitehouse. And you degrade us.”
We are not in Iraq to protect American’s freedoms. If you don’t agree with that, just look at the name of the operation. It’s not Operation American Freedom is it? I agree, Saddam Hussein was awful dictator and the people in his rape rooms are in a better position now that he is gone. But you must remember that it was a “Conservative” administration that put him in power to begin with. As far as “crapping on the troops” I think the current “Conservative” majority are the ones who are cutting their benefits while they are fighting this war. It is also this “Conservative” majority that is systematically removing and/or sidestepping those Freedoms you seem to hold dear.
“Yeah, you are a real fine patriot and American, aren’t you!?!”
Yeah, I think so. I try and do everything that I can to make sure that America is a place where people can freely share ideas, and live in safety. Now, I do think that America has had a horrible foreign policy and we need to take the country out of the hands of people who make their money by waging wars. All we seem to be doing is giving people a reason to hate us, and therefore creating more of the same people we claim to be at war with, Terrorists.
I don’t question your patriotism…I question your rationale. Think about what’s going on. We are actually at a point in human history where the President of the United States is justifing torture. I love America. But the difference, I think, between you and me is that I think that people in other countries, have just as much a right to live as Americans do.
Changing Governments, Killing innocent men, women and children, if anyone is crapping on our brave service men and women, it’s not liberals.
Jebster, Jebster, Jebster…..Settle down boy….I think koolaid drinkers like you need to pay less attention to the “under God” part of the pledge and start thinking a little harder about the “ONE NATION, INDIVISIBLE” part that surrounds it….People who disagree with your slanted world view do not “HATE AMERICA”…that’s just a meme that people like Sean keep spoon-feeding you, and you just keep lapping up….give it a break. Now I ask you again, when/where/what branch did you serve?
This is a perfect example of the type of hate that Hannity foments….He has poor Jebster believing in a creature that does not exist. I’m sure that deep within Jebster’s twisted psyche, in a place that it takes his entire being to repress, that he understands on a subconscious level that a “LIBERAL” is only a monster that Sean Hannity creates to make you live in fear and anger, and a LIBERAL is really not somebody who waits for the day that he can join Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehanburn to torch a few American Flags and Bibles in front of the all-night abortion and needle exchange clinic that doubles by day as the Adam and Steve Wedding Chapel. You do understand that that monster that Sean has made you ’scared of has less in common with reality and more in common with the monsters your bully of an older brother were hiding under the bed waiting to eat your face, don’t you, Jebster? You are not so poisoned that you have lost touch with that reality, are you son?
Jeff, the left wants to make it “one country, under whatever you want to believe, do, or whatever, it’s all ok…” Talk about destroying the country! Without “…under God…” we might as well sell out to the islamists. Cos would be happy with that it seems.
And cut the kool-aid crap. We all know that is only for the left…due to the “suicide affect” the left would have destroying this country.
I served from 1983 through 2005, Field Artillery, in Korea, stateside in several places, Germany, and the Mideast. Combat with the 2ACR. You?
It boggles my mind how much passionate support that wingnuts like Sean get for what is basically blind hatred.
I totally agree Jeff.
This is a perfect example of the type of hate that Hannity foments….He has poor Jebster believing in a creature that, quite frankly, does not exist. I’m sure that deep within Jebster’s twisted psyche, in a place that it takes his entire being to repress, that he understands on a subconscious level that a “LIBERAL” is only a monster that Sean Hannity creates to make you live in fear and anger, and a LIBERAL is really not somebody who waits for the day that he can join Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan to torch a few American Flags and Bibles in front of the all-night abortion and needle exchange clinic that doubles by day as the Adam and Steve Wedding Chapel. You do understand that the monster that Sean has made you so utterly ’scared of has LESS in common with reality and more in common with the monsters your bully of an older brother told you were hiding under the bed waiting to eat your face, don’t you, Jebster? You are not so poisoned by fear and hatred of your fellow AMERICAN that you have lost all touch with that part of reality, are you son?
Jebster, you have not provided one shred of proof that I am un-American. You have not provided one single quote attributable to any of the names on your list. You are a nothing but a zombie, spewing out the rhetoric you hear Sean Hannity bloviate about every day.
Go away. You’ve lost the argument.
Meanwhile, I’m making a $50 donation (dedicated to you, Jebster) to Mike Stark. Anything it takes to keep up the good fight…
Thank you for your service, Jebster…I did not serve in the military, but as a Proud American Liberal, I believe we should honor those that do and did, and especially those who have made the ultimate scarifice. As a Proud American Liberal, I believe that it is every American’s responsibility to hold our national leadership accountable for the decisions that they make, especially where it places our military personnel in danger, and I fervently believe that military decisions should be left to the MILITARY leadership. A president and a congress set political objectives, and it should be left to the military to execute those objectives, by whatever means and force necessary, to achieve those political goals once they have been transformed into combat objectives, as long as they remain true to uniform code of military justice, and the established rules of engagement…do you agree?
Amen, Cosmo!! I too am a proud, flag-flying American, whose views tend to be center/left, and I bow to no one in my love for this country, and what that flag stands for: the First Amendment above all.
However, Jebster thinks I/we hate all things American, and love Castro, commies and the USSR…then his “argument” dissolves into name-calling and “lists” of lefties he hates…hey Jebster, you forgot Pelosi…boogah-boogah!
BTW, this center/left proud American has 2 boys in the service, one Navy and one Army…more than Jebster’s far-right idols can say. How many servicemen come from the Hannitys of the world? Please. Just shut up, Jebster. You’re an embarrassment to the Right, the Center and the country as a whole. (Wanna bet he screams that this is just another example of the left trying to silence ‘true Americans’? This is too easy.)
Cos, I did not have to…you have provided that proof yourself.
OK, I’m done. If Jebster would like to have an intelligent discussion about specific examples or quotes or whatever, I’m game.
But if it’s going to be non-stop “Liberals are evil” nonsense, I’m not even going to bother trying to have a civil conversation. I haven’t resorted to name calling or any kind of “It’s all your fault” rhetoric so I’ll simply end with this.
Jebster, Other than a check for 300 bucks, How have the policies of the last 6 years helped you?
And to everyone else, If you were wondering who that 30% that still supports the president were, I give you Jebster.
Oh and one more thing, Jeb. Where I come from, “fuck you, asshole” is an minimal response to someone who is baselessy claiming that I hate America. My father is a veteran of two wars. My grandfather is a veteran of WWII. My brothers both served in the Navy (12 and 20 years reepectively.) We take insults to our love of this country very, very seriously, and if you were in the same room, you’d be in danger of getting your 6′2″ ass kicked if you said such a thing to my 71 yr old father.
In contrast, it’s “unacceptable” vulgarity when it’s being said by Dick Cheney, in response to a duly elected Senator who dared question his close ties to Halliburton, advised “Go fuck yourself!”.
“Just shut up, Jebster”… What are you, four years old?
What is gonna come next…”I know you are but what am I”?!?
Troll, I do not hate these “lefties”, but I do hate what they stand for. It is what will tear this country apart, will spearate this country and Balkanize it. THAT we do not need. And everyone on that list and more, fight to bring America to her knees. The First Amendment is nothing to them; it is only THEIR brand of speech they support.
And whether you feel I mean it or not, Bless you sons for the courage to serve.
Jebster, Do ou understand what the framers attempted to do in forming a government of three branches with the legislative divided into two houses?
Cos, you father and brothers are heroes. How did you turn out so dishonorable? How did you come to hate America so much with heroes like that in your family? You disgrace them as you disgrace this country. You are truly an evil little person. I will pray for you…
Jebster, some advice:
Turn off the radio.
Turn off fox news.
Educate yourself.
Jebster…it strikes me that your only “understanding” of what “Lefties” stand for comes from the mough of people like Hannity and Limbaugh. THEY are the ones that seek to keep Americans like you and me from having civil political discussion…THEY are the ones that endanger America. Want to know what I think? Quit listening to Hannity and ask ME for chrissakes.
mouths.
Yes Jeff…but the far left in Congress forgets that the framers named one man the Commander-in-Chief, not 435. And they are doing their best to destroy that office and take the Executive power. It is not checks and balances…it is usurpation. (Cos, that means Congress is trying to steal the power of the Executive Branch, that’s the President)
Jebster,
Please don’t waste your time “praying” for me. I did not serve in the armed forces due to a physical disability, asshole. Don’t you dare pray for me you hateful idiot.
Different viewpoint = dishonorable.
Who is being intolerant?…
Jebster…the framers named three branches of our government separate but equal…the fear discussed by washington, madison and jefferson was that a singular entity would be no better than a King. The framers intended the Commander in Chief to seek and receive the permission of the congress for his actions, and outright required that ascension in times of war.
Jebster….We live in a nation of laws…Congress legislates them, the President enacts them and the courts enforce them…correct?
Jeff, it may surprise you that I do not believe everything Hannity, Limbaugh, et. al. “spews”…I think for myself, I read, I have educated myself. Heck, most of what I believe, I believed before there was talk radio. I would say, they believe more of what I think…
Jebster has learned well.
From the same school of thought that gave us the “Clean Air Act” and the “Patriot Act”, Jebster has given us “The far left is trying to steal power from the executive.”
What’s next, “Britney Spears is a genius?” “Danny DeVito is 7 feet tall?”
Cos, physical problem? Are you missing your brain?
Seems that way to me. Only reason you could be such a disgrace to you honorable family.
Jebster, do you agree that absolute power, left unchecked, can place America in disasterous situations? I feel you agree with Bush, but what would your feelings be for a president who you do not agree with to have a similar powerbase?
Jeff-
Jebster isn’t interested in honest debate. He’ll say whatever he thinks will make him “win” the argument. Then 3 years from now, when theres a democratic president, he’ll act like he never said such things (much like Hannity et al seem to forget what they said in the runup to the Iraq war).
Can’t wait to see if Jebster is so zealous about protecting the unchecked power of President Gore and a democratic senate majority. bwahahahahaha
Jebster…Is it the responsibility of the American people to responsibly question the decisions of our political leaders when those decisions place the men and women of our military in jeopardy? Isn’t that done through our congressional representation? Shouldn’t the president be responsible to report to congress his plans for action, and to gain their ascension to his decisions? What if congress disagrees with the course of action taken by a President?
Jeff, I get you’re still trying but really, don’t waste your time.
Jebster’s just here to pick a fight on the backs of veterans. It’s pretty sick.
Willis…stand back and watch democracy in action…trust me.
Andy/Cosmo….see above.
Jeff, you mis-read the Constitution, you have mis-interpreted the founding fathers. You are close, but checks and balances does not mean that the President has to ask permission for every action he takes…especially in time of war. If that is your belief, then I am sad to say, you are incorrect.
What the President has been trying to do is protect this country and many on the far left, because of the insane hatred they have for him and all conservatives, they do everything to take him down. Even if it means doing the same to America.
Jebster….you believe that, in a military situation, the President should have total and unbridled authority? When a singular person has full authority without question over the actions of the military, that is known as a dictatorship…Believe me, Jes…I have studied and fully understand the intent of the framers, and the limits they intentionally placed on the Commander in Chief in time of war…remember, we were AT war when this nation was founded, and there are few year between that foun ding and the drafting of the constitution that we were not at war…on our own soil.
Ask permisison for every action? Don’t be foolish…but the document reads that the president shall provide regular and substantial reports to the congress and seek their ascent for his actions….something the Bush whitehouse has failed to do.
Jeb…I quote the War Powers Act of 1973, Public Law 93-148, 93rd Congress, H. J. Res. 542
SECTION 3
“The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situation where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and after every such introduction shall consult regularly with the Congress until United States Armed Forces are no longer engaged in hostilities or have been removed from such situations.”
Do you understand that?
Jeb…Section 4 (b) reads; “The President shall provide such other information as the Congress may request in the fulfillment of its constitutional responsibilities with respect to committing the Nation to war and to the use of United States Armed Forces abroad.”
Jeb…Section 4 (c) reads; “Whenever United States Armed Forces are introduced into hostilities or into any situation described in subsection (a) of this section, the President shall, so long as such armed forces continue to be engaged in such hostilities or situation, report to the Congress periodically on the status of such hostilities or situation as well as on the scope and duration of such hostilities or situation, but in no event shall he report to the Congress less often than once every six months.”
Do you understand that?
Jebster had to leave. His mancrush oreilly is on.
Jeb…Section 5 (b) reads; “Within sixty calendar days after a report is submitted or is required to be submitted pursuant to section 4(a)(1), whichever is earlier, the President shall terminate any use of United States Armed Forces with respect to which such report was submitted (or required to be submitted), unless the Congress (1) has declared war or has enacted a specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces, (2) has extended by law such sixty-day period, or (3) is physically unable to meet as a result of an armed attack upon the United States. Such sixty-day period shall be extended for not more than an additional thirty days if the President determines and certifies to the Congress in writing that unavoidable military necessity respecting the safety of United States Armed Forces requires the continued use of such armed forces in the course of bringing about a prompt removal of such forces.”
Do you underatand that?
Willis, Andy, Cosmo…see my point?
Yeah, but remember:
Jebster reads and educates himself.
Do his lips move when he is reading? Was it a copy of Bush’s new book..:My Pet ScapeGoat”!?
Do I take 15 minutes of silence to mean the score is Jeff 1, Jebster 0? Hell, it only took Bush 7 minutes to react on 9/11!
Jeff, looks like jebster has decided to “cut and run”.
Heh, heh, heh…that’s all you have to do, boys….set the trap, bait them in, and then slam the lid on their pointy little neo-con heads beat them with the force of the laws and constitution of this great nation…..Excuse my bragadiccio, but DAMN, I’M GOOD!
Taking a bow, I bid you adieu…keep up the good fight, boys. The election is just around the corner.
Jebster, give me a quote from anyone in this thread or any Dem office holder saying they hate America. Exactly, you can’t.
Guys, stop playing in Jebster’s ballpark. He’s just spewing a load of crap to distract us from real issues like: global warming, the Admin’s lies leading us into this war that’s expected to cost over $1 trillion, Republicans’ horrible stance on workers, , undercutting the Endangered Species Act, privatization of Social Security, opposition to raising the minimum wage, outsourcing galore….
And Jebsters “Erection” is also right around the corner…when Hannity and Colmes starts…:)
you mean HANNITY and colmes
Jeff,
With all due respect, it wasn’t a “fair fight”. Right now, jeb’s listening to Dick Morris tell the falafel loufa boy that Bush’s awesome handling of the latest mid-east crisis will help his approval ratings (no, I’m NOT making that up!).
When you consider that jeb spends 10 hours a day getting such nonsense drilled into his weak brain, he’s bound to be delusional and confused when someone challenges him with actual FACTS.
bwahahahahaha
crap…meant to say “disillusioned” not “delusional”…
Willis..Believe it or not, the actual working title for the program prior to airing was HANNITY & ltbd (liberal to be determined later)
Man… The Ann Coulter’s beard thing didn’t get this many comments….
OK, I couldn’t read the entire pissing match here, but what I want to ask Jebster and the veterans who have honorably served this country (I sincerely mean that) is this:
IS IT OK WITH YOU THAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND THIS CONGRESS HAS REPEATEDLY STRIPPED VETERANS OF THEIR HARD-EARNED BENEFITS?
I don’t question your patriotism or your moral uprightness or anything. I just wonder if you think these guys actually support you and our other troops as much as they claim to.
Because their policies seem to reveal nothing but contempt and ingratitude toward veterans.
Mister Jebster Done R.U.N.N.O.F.T.
And Jeff, do YOU understand that the War Powers Act does not authorized Congressmen to comit treason by leaking infomration to the press? That it does not allow Congressmen to accuse our servicemembers of terrorism, of murder, of rape, of every kind of despicable act without proof?
But hey, it’s ok because it’s Freedom of Speech, right?
So, I guess Mr. Bush should just concede all Executive Powers to the Congress…
Jeff, you seem like you are intelligent and thoughtful, unlike Cos. You now need to use the common sense that God, yes GOD, gave you. Cos is just too stupid to know that he is ignorant. It’s that missing brain disability he has.
Oh, Jeff, sorry for the missing 30 minutes. I had to change out a broken garbage disposal. Kids through too much cosmo…opps, I mean crap, in it…
I think that Jebster actually IS Hannity… After a couple of beers…
Neither does it empower the administration to leak classified information. I know of no instance of a congressional leak, save Rick Santorum quoting a classified document on Hannity and Colmes…What congressman are you referring to?
And Jebster, You dodged his point.
The President should concede no presidential powers authorized under our constitution or the laws of this nation, however, it appears that the Suprieme Court has clearly stated in the case of Hamdi vs. Rumsfeld that the President has exceeded those powers…what say you about that, Jeb?
Jeb…the font of my common sense is myself and my moral values….leave God out of this.
Jebster…Other than Santorum, what member of congress has leaked classified information? Do you have an instance to site?
Allright, keep trying Jeff. I admire your patience.
Until next time.
N need to apologize aobut having to stop defending your nation to change a garbage disposal, Jeb…I hear the units they install in trailers today are pretty unreliable, and I understand how naggy a wife can get when you let her rule the roost…Not my situation, my MRS and I have a good understanding, but I’d hate to see you get beaned with the skillet.
Oh, BTW….here’s a link where you can see Santorum leak a classified document on national television…. http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/category/santorum/
QUESTION: What do you say to Jebster if you see him with two black eyes?
ANSWER: Obviously nothing his wife hasn’t said twice already.
I can picture you right now, Jeb…Sitting on the porch of your double-wide, listening to Sean on a 1960s A.M. transistor radio held tight to your ear with one hand, a warm PBR and a an unfiltered lucky clutched in the tobacco stained fingers of the other. Outfitted in the exact same piss-yellow beer and sweat-stained ripped wifebeater tee and bathrobe combo you wore yesterday. Reeking of B.O and desparation, Staring at the sun and LAUGHING like an idiot, and all the while six filthy and shoeless rugrats run figure eights in the dirt around the pickup and the satellite dish trying to whomp on a pussum with a stick. What a life you lead.
Jeff, it’s the Executive Branch the determines the classification. The executive, the President, has the authority to release information. If HE decides to “leak” it, it has been decided that it is declasified.
And about the Supreme Court…part of the problem for over a century…
Oh Jeff, no trailer here. Got a nice little house here. And I quick smoking in ‘98. It was effecting my running…
Never wore a “wife-beater” t-shirt in my life…lol…but I do make some bitchin’ home-made beer.
Only have two children as well. One is even an Eagle Scout. But the left hates the Scouts, don’t they? Oh well…
Wife’s never beat me and I never beat my wife. Been married to the same beautiful woman for almost 18 years.
Can you say…Sen. “Leaky” Leahy?!? Wasn’t he thrown off the Intelligence Committee for that?!?
So far, the only charge that jebster has replied to was to say that he doesn’t live in a trailer. lol…all other “facts” that have been mentioned by Jeff, myself, et al., have been summarily ignored by jeb.
And for the record, jeb, I am a female, so quit calling me “he”. I couldn’t join the service, so I went to college and law school (worked full time though it all and paid every dime of my own tuition and expenses without aid or loans). I know what the constitution says.
You want to say that because of the “war on terror” anything bush does is allowed to go unchecked.
Given that the “war on terror” will likely go on forever, are you going to be comfortable when President Gore has the same unfettered power and a rubber-stamp Democrat congress? Believe it or not, I am not comfortable with such a scenario, because that’s how a dictatorship is run. Not a democracy.
Why are you so afraid of letting the congress do it’s job? They are the ELECTED respresentatives, after all.
But again, Jebster: Is it cool with you that Bush and his congress have been gutting and dismantling so many veterans benefits programs?
Does that count as “supporting” the troops?
Bush uses troops for cannon-fodder and photo-ops, and then he spits in their faces with all the policies he enacts. That ain’t support, and that ain’t patriotism.
That’s parasitism, and this tapeworm is harming all of us.
cos, so you got a sex change, big deal. You are still hateful and a disgrace. I bet you family is working on disowning you.
And Pres Gore…now we all know you really are deranged…
Probably shave your back as well…
Jebster, why don’t you go fight the war on terror?? You’re just annoying the rest of us here.
I dunno…Jebster’s antics here tonight inspired me to donate some money to support Mike’s efforts…I say let the idiot keep up the nonsense. lol
As for my family “disowning” me, jeb, you couldn’t be more wrong.
My father says this of Cheney “I won’t be happy until I see him in handcuffs!” Of Bush Jr., he says, “he’s a fucking cheerleader, failed businessman, on a dry-drunk.” Of Rove, DeLay, Hastert and Rumsfeld, my dad says, “If they are talking, they are lying!”
Damn, Mike! You opened a can of worms on this one.
Did some right-wing media outlet give out your web address or something? You got a lot of comments on here.
Anyways, don’t let these goofy bastards let you down. AND, more importantly — and i know it’s hard not to want to defend yourself and progressives and their/our ideals — just don’t let them divert your time and energy to argueing about political partys and dumb back-and-forth spats. Those of us, and yourself included, who still believe in the Constitution, the bill of rights and all that the Founders created for us in our system know that this administration are dangerous crooks who are out of control and it’s loyal fans (like hannity) are FOOLS.
Keep fighting. You will always have my respect.
I’ll say it again.
jebster….strong back, weak mind.
Oh, jebster,.. why did God allow the terrorists to hit us on 911? He must have been on their side that day, no?
Judging from what has happened to America since 911, I see no reason to believe that he is on our side.
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but in spite of you having been a kind, caring, gentle soul all your life, when you die,… you will end in the same exact place as me.
i read it all!!!!
YA! take that crazy rightwing conspiricy
Jebster, Let’s get past the fact that you totally weaseled on the fact that the evidence I presented on the War Powers Act thoroughly dismantled your premise assigning overly broad constitutional powers of the Presidency. The act clearly and with no ambiguity states, “The President shall provide such other information as the Congress may request in the fulfillment of its constitutional responsibilities with respect to committing the Nation to war and to the use of United States Armed Forces abroad”. ‘Nuff said. I’ll even give you a pass on the fact that you screwed the pooch on your Leahy accusation…he was never “thrown off” the intellegence committee…The truth of the matter is that almost two decades ago, in 1987, an internal governmental investigation was conducted, and though no report was ever released and no accusation of impropriety ever was stated, Patrick Leahy volunteered to resigned his chair. That’s all. End of story. I do, however, find it ironic that somehow Sean “forgot” to tell you that two years ago, in 2004, Leahy was awarded the Electronic Privacy Information Center’s “Champion of Freedom” Award for efforts in information privacy and open government. Guess it was just an “oversight”, but I’ll give you a free pass on that one too…Ignorance is no strike against you…after all, you ARE a Hannity listener. I’ll even let you slip on providing no defense of Santorum holding a highly classified document in front of a Faux News television camera on live television WHILE IDENTIFYING IT AS A FRIGGIN’ CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT CONCERNING THE WAR ON TERROR! What I cannot give you a pass on, however, is how miserably you again failed something you should have learned in freshman high school civics by declaring the Nixonian “The President did it, therefore it must be legal” defense….Shame on you, son. Remember Watergate? That wierd sweaty guy with the funny nose and jowels that caused you to miss two weeks of watching the Banana Splits after school because of that Silly Sam Ervin holding those rediculous hearings? But that was covered in History class…let’s get back to Civics 101…..I can tell by your miniscule knowledge, as well as Sean’s that you have never in your life held a Classified clearance. If you did, you would know that, while a command officer (which includes the Commander in Chief) MIGHT, under very controlled circumstances, grant access to classified national security documents to an individual to secure pertinent knowledge, no singular individual, not even the President, may make a determination to publicly release classified material unvetted. Further, if you has even a simple understanding of FOIA, (that’s the Freedom of Information Act, Cletus) you would know that either a document exists in the Public Domain, or it does not. No Government or military official can “selectively” release any secure information, even once declassified and PROPERLY DOCUMENTED as DECLASSIFIED, to a public entity without making that information available to ALL public entities. No, it is not legal simply because “the President says so”. America is a Nation of Laws, and no one individual may operate above those laws…especially the President. Try again.
Oh, and son… A little free advice. Let me put it in terms you might be able to comprehend….. Remember back when you were still in the sixth grade? well. if this exchange took place at recess, right about now, the last two friends you had in the whole school would be leaning over you, looking into your cloudy eyes and pleading “stay down, man…for chrissakes…whatever you do, DON”T get back up…stay down! HOWEVER……if you fail to heed this fair warning and intend to pick this up again tomorrow (hopefully, you will finally, if I may quote you, “Use the common sense that God, yes GOD, gave you” and just walk away) I suggest you make sure mommy packs your water wings and a fresh bottle of bactine, because I fully intend to keep pushing your head under the water and holding it there while everyone laughs at you. You have been warned.
Jeff….you like kicking a dog when he’s down, dont you? …. ouch
Jebster?……Jebster?…..
Beuller?……………………Beuller?…………….
Bueller?………………………………….
You all like to point out benefits cuts for veterans. Are any of you aware that during the Clinton administartion 80% of the military were making less than 30,000/yr. and surviving on food stamps and other forms of welfare. I guess the Clinton/Gore good economy never reached them huh. All this while deploying troops around the globe to places like Bosnia,Haiti,and others with no ties to U.S. security at all and decreasing the number of by 286,000. This also created great hardship for the military which 65% married or single parent families.
This is without mentioning the lack of routine maintenance of equipment. Thanks for the peace dividend
to gypsy: this isn’t the clinton era, it’s the bush era
i’m so sick of consevatives trying to point out how bad clinton is and totally ignore how completely horrible bush is
Well, kiddies…time to put yet another Hannity perpetuated neo-con meme to rest….try and keep up with me, gypsy…I know this might be difficult for you to “figger”, but if you stumble over any of the big words, just ask me and I’ll try to dumb them down for you.
Funding for national defense declined by about 16.9 percent between the last Reagan Administration defense budget (FY 1989) and the last Bush Administration budget (FY 1993). These were the deepest cuts of the post-Cold War period. All but the very first of the Bush budget submissions called for cutting defense spending.
In January 1993 just before leaving office, President Bush presented the FY 1994-99 defense plan that he would have submitted to Congress had he been reelected. Under this plan, funding for DoD was projected to decline in real terms by some 19 percent over the FY 1992-97 period
By comparison, under the Clinton Administration, funding for defense declined by only 13.1 percent between FY 1993 and FY 1998, when funding for defense bottomed out, and rose by nearly 7 percent prior to the end of his administration.
A year-by-year comparison of projected funding under the last Bush plan and actual funding levels confirms that the United States ended up spending almost exactly the same amount under Clinton as recommended in the last Bush budget for the FY 1994-99 period, a total of $1.72 trillion.
Whatever the merits of armchair quarterbacking the cost or benefits the defense drawdown of the 1990s, one thing is clear: the decision to cut the defense budget, and to do so relatively deeply, was very much a BIPARTISAN decision (that means both democrats and republicans supported it, gypsy), and it is irresponsible for people like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh to present these figures as an indictment against President Clinton.
Another swing, and another miss….wanna try again, Gyp?
Jeff sorry but those numbers aren’t from either Hannity or Limbaugh,whom I do not listen to.
You are giving me projected spending if George HW Bush was elected. Well as they say if the queen had balls. Ifs don’t matter reality does.
You did not address the deployments with a smaller military which meant soldiers were away from their families more often and for longer periods resulting in myriad problems. C’mon I thought you libs cared about social issues and families subsisiting on food stamps.
Yeah, Clinton is irrelevant to this argument. If he made crappy policy decisions, at least liberals CRITICIZE him for that (policy decisions, that is; oral sex is irrelevant too).
On the left there isn’t this submissive cult of authority that just bends over and accepts whatever Dear Leader does.
People on the left tend to think that our elected representatives should serve the people who elect them. That’s why it’s so hard to comprehend this attitude that “Bush is a good man and everything he does is right.”
But my guess is that the false culture war fomented by Hannity and others overshadows these more pragmatic considerations.
So if you strongly believe that liberals are just feminized, godless elitists who think everyone else is stupid and racist, then I guess that takes your mind off the republicans robbing you blind and flinging feces in your face while they do so.
I never said I agreed with everything our(like it or not) President does. As a matter of fact neither has Hannity. There is plenty to find fault with ie. amnesty that he refuses to call amnesty,spending like a drunken Kennedy,now how’s that for redundant, but as I enjoy life greatly and don’t care to see more friends killed like on 9/11 I will and can not disagree on our leadership finally taking a strong stand that the world should have adopted at least as early as 1972 in Munich
Gypsy–wouldn’t you prefer having somebody COMPETENT to do those jobs?
Democratic, republican–almost anyone but this spoiled, nasty little rich kid who cares only about himself, has no interest in doing his job, and soils the moral principles of Christianity every time he professes to believe in it.
I will not go to questioning someone’s faith. I personally find him to be sincere. Nor do I think he is incompetant. Who do you believe is competant?
That’s the thing about religion–it’s often a handy way of shutting down inquiries into various subjects. I’d really like to know if Bush is at all aware of the sublime moral sentiments of, for example, the gospel of Matthew. (I’m not a Christian myself, but I respect those sentiments.)
I think he’s more like Ralph Reed and Abramoff’s crony Michael Scanlon, publicly and insincerely professing Christianity so he can get the votes and take the money of the true believers these guys all consider to be “wackos.”
Competent people? Basically, anyone who obeys the US Constitution, knows rudimentary world geography, can pronounce furriners’ names, is curious about the topics relevant to his governance, knows that bald self-assertion wins no allies, can put a coherent sentence together, and cares more about doing his job than riding mountain bikes. That’s more people than I can possibly list.
OK, I gotta roll, but last sentiment: You’ll never be completely safe, and giving a president the powers of a dictator isn’t going to make you safe.
Gyp, funny how you focus on the projected figure yet say nothing about the draconian cuts that occurred under Bush 41. If you want to discuss Americans living under the poverty level, quit hiding behind military families and do something about the other 36 million americans that exist below the poverty line in this country. Children and most racial minorities again fared worse in 2003 than the overall population, according to the Census report. The rate of child poverty rose to 17.6 percent from 16.7 percent in 2002 — boosting the number of poor children to 12.9 million. The poverty rate of African Americans remained nearly twice the national rate, with 24.4 percent of blacks living below the poverty line in 2003, nearly unchanged from 24.1 percent a year earlier. Bush and the republican congress have abandoned the needy and handed steep tax cuts to the top one tenth of one percent. THat is a tragedy, child.
Gypsy, Bush has run every business he has headed into the ground. He left the state of texas in worse shape on every measurable front, economically, education, health care, jobs….when will you admit that the guy lives life like a drunken frat boy working for daddy’s company?
Script for Political “discourse” between and Thinking Person (”TP”) and a “Neo-con”:
TP: Bush did “X”.
Neo-Con: Clinton did “Y”
TP: Yes, Clinton did “Y”, but that doesn’t have anything to do with Bush doing “X”
Neo-Con: Clinton did A, B, and C!!!
TP: I was talking about Bush, not Clinton.
Neo-Con: Clinton Clinton Clinton!!!
TP: What the hell is wrong with you? Bush did “X” - that’s what I was talking about. Clinton is not the president anymore.
Neo-Con: Saddam!! Iraq!! 9/11!! Terror!! 9/11!! 9/11!! War, War War!!!!!!
TP: Good grief, man. Get a grip.
Neo-Con: America-Hater!!!!!! Unpatriotic!!! YOU OBVIOUSLY HATE AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!
TP: [shakes head in pity and walks away, seeing that it is futile try and reason with a lunatic]
Neo-Con: CUT AND RUN, CUT AND RUN, CUT AND RUN!!!
Jeff has it occured to you that perhaps the reason for the increase in child poverty correlates with an increase in teenage unwed mothers? Don’t tell me W knocked them all up.
The War on Poverty invented by LBJ has not changed one damned thing. People need to take responsibility not handouts.
You know nothing of me or what I might do to help others who are less fortunate or even if I am living in povery myself so drop the personal stuff. You never know to whom you speak
“Jeff has it occured to you that perhaps the reason for the increase in child poverty correlates with an increase in teenage unwed mothers? Don’t tell me W knocked them all up.” Thats just an assinine statement. Attempting to foise it here justt throws all reason out the window and attempts to turn a reasoned debate into the realm of silly and inane. That is beneath both of us. You are not worthy of further discourse unless you can grow up and learn a little about what you speak of. You are dismissed.
Gypsy -
All you’ve done is try to change the subject. But heck, you can’t even find a decent argument.
As for the increase in unwed mothers, what direction do you expect that number to go if the neo-cons have their way (no morning-after pill, no abortions, no free condoms, no sex education)?
And, when people can earn a decent living wage, they are less likely to even HAVE an abortion, which is why the abortion rate DECLINED during Clinton’s years.
I didn’t change the subject Jeff did but of course resposibility for even a minor point like that will be denied.
I have worled as a nurse in reproductive health in the inner city for 20 years. I would love to syour opinionee the proof of your claim of less abortions In the glorious Clinton years.
Goodness this guy must crap gold in your opinion.
I am dismissed. Thanks I was leaving but now I think I’ll hang out a bit after all
Can we dispense with this “Commander-in-Chief” bullshit? The president is not *my* “Commander-in-Chief”. He’s my fucking employee. He’s Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, not the citizenry.
Gypsy, have you heard about this fancy new thing called “Google”?
it’s easy, and only takes about 2 seconds to come up with the following data:
Historical CDC data from 1970 to 1995:
Numbers of abortions: This is the total number of legal abortions reported in the U.S.: 1970 to 1980: The number of abortions increased every year.
1981 to 1982: The number stabilized, increasing by only about 0.2% a year.
1983 to 1990: Significant growth resumed, with increases of up to 5% per year
1990 to 1995: The number decreased every year.
Abortion ratio: This is the number of legal abortions per 1,000 live births. 1970 to 1984: The ratio increased, reaching a peak of 364 in 1984
1985 to 1995: The ratio decreased steadily to 311 in 1995
Abortion rate: This is the number of legal abortions per 1,000 women aged 15 to 44 years: 1970 to 1980: The rate increased from 5 to 25.
1981 to 1992: The rate remained stable at 23 to 24.
1993 to 1995: The rate steadily declined to 20.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_fact.htm
Jebster,
You’re nothing but a bald-faced apologist and a liar.
You’re a sad pathetic, diseased little parrot, with your tired Rovian attack phrases. No Democrat has ever mocked or attacked a soldier. No Democrat is anti America, anti- soldier, or anti-constitution.
Now, you suuport a regime that demands loyalty oaths, arrests people who come to hear their President speak if they’re wearing a pro-democrat t-shirt, and who make policy behind closed doors and then fight to keep the peoples’ business private from us.
Fuck you, You fascist dog.
There’s your righteous indignation. Now go read a book, douchebag.
here’s more:
Annual abortion totals reached their peak in 1990, topping the 1.6 million mark, but from that point on showed a significant and steady decline. By decade’s end, the annual figure was closer to 1.3 million, the lowest in over 20 years.
Abortion rates, which hovered between 23 and 25 abortions per 1,000 women of reproductive age throughout the 1980s, finally dropped to 20 per thousand or fewer by decade’s end.1 The drop in the abortion ratio was even more striking, dropping from 344 abortions/1,000 live births to less than 300/1,000 by 1999.2 The last time similarly low figures were recorded was 1976.
In theory, part of the decline in raw annual totals may have been due to population shifts as the population bubble of the baby boom generation aged and moved beyond their reproductive years. This would mean fewer women in the reproductive age range and fewer pregnancies and fewer abortions if all other factors stayed the same. In the same way, any behaviorial or cultural factors that impacted the basic number of pregnancies could have effected the number of subsequent abortions.
Available data indicate that such factors may have been responsible for some, but not all of the decline. The reduction in the abortion rate from 24/1,000 women of reproductive age in 1990 to 20/1,000 or less by the decade’s end indicates that abortion became a less common feature in the lives of women who could have become pregnant as the decade progressed. The drop in the abortion ratio from 344 per every thousand live births to less than 300 per thousand in just 10 years shows the decline in raw numbers was due not merely to there being fewer pregnancies, but to the fact that a substantially smaller proportion of pregnant women were choosing to abort their babies.
http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL01/randy.html
Gypsy,
You lost all credibility when you said this:
Jeff sorry but those numbers aren’t from either Hannity or Limbaugh,whom I do not listen to.[emphasis mine]
and then,
I never said I agreed with everything our(like it or not) President does. As a matter of fact neither has Hannity.
How do you know what Hannity agrees to if you don’t listen?
So when you say:
I have worled as a nurse in reproductive health in the inner city for 20 years.
I have a hard time believing you.
From one of your own sites here
Dr. New’s findings provides further evidence that these pro-life laws
had much to do with the 18 percent decline in abortions during the
1990s. (I provide the pro-life reference to show what the other side believes).
Just a refresher : Clinton was president through the 1990s (in case you were wondering)
Gypsy,
I could post several more links of TRUE verifiable statistics, but I know your head is already about to explode.
You probably should re-think your decision to stay around. It’s going to be too humiliating for you. Really.
buh-bye now
Gypsy said: “I never said I agreed with everything our(like it or not) President does. As a matter of fact NEITHER HAS HANNITY.”
Bwahahahahahahaaaaa!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
I watch that motherfucker religiously and not once, not ONCE have I ever heard Sean Hannity criticize or even slightly disagree with his hero George W. Bush. WTF dude!? This is why we can’t take you guys seriously.
I said I don’t listen to Limbaugh I do listen to sean and am not ashamed to say it.
If you haven’t heard disagreement with W from Sean then you obviously lack comprehensioin skills. He frequently disagrees with him. But I don’t feel I need to defend Hannity. He is a big boy who can do that by himself.
I think what I think and do not even hold the same views in regard to abortion as the president.
Statistics show a decrease in abortion. That doesn’t mean less unwed teens are getting pregnant. It just menas they are keeping the babies.
You claim there is no sex ed. which is patently false. Even in the hospital we have augmented the teaching that takes place in schools. I’ve had to show teens how to place condoms on cucumbers.
It might be a better alternative than STDs and early pregnancy but responsibility is still preferable.
I don’t think you are all cut from the same cloth yet you believe we all are apparently. I could be wrong and maybe you don’t. Note please that I have refrained from profanity. Why can’t some of you?
“Statistics show a decrease in abortion. That doesn’t mean less unwed teens are getting pregnant. It just menas they are keeping the babies.”
This is motherfucking brilliant.
We now have a Hannity listener come here and state that PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON, in his/her opinion, helped make more unwed teens keep their babies and not get abortions.
HALLELUJAH!!!! PRAISE CLINTON!!!
Gypsy,
You can’t even keep your own story straight. And don’t put words in my mouth, either.
I DID NOT say that there is “no sex education”. What I said was “As for the increase in unwed mothers, what direction do you expect that number to go if the neo-cons have their way (no morning-after pill, no abortions, no free condoms, no sex education)?”
As for what the marital status of the ladies keeping the babies is, have you tried out that “Google” thingy I mentioned before? If so, please provide FACTS to support your statement. I could go research it myself, but that I think it’s time you TAKE RESPONSIBILTY (your words) and be more self-sufficient.
re: “We now have a Hannity listener come here and state that PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON, in his/her opinion, helped make more unwed teens keep their babies and not get abortions.”
lmao, willis. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel…
I could care less if someone listens to Hannity, If you want to spend your time that way then so be it. But if you’d like to discuss politics, at least do some research. Hannity is a deliberate liar and he misleads on everything that he can to make his “side” seem moral and just.
Here’s the problem, it’s neither.
These people primarily claim to be good christians but they apparently havent even opened the bible in a long time…
“People need to take responsibility not handouts.” Yeah, that’s what Jesus said about the poor… Fuck ‘em, Get a job Bum.
Truth is, our president thinks it’s a great idea to TAKE JOBS AWAY and give them to exploitable countries so the CEO’s can walk away with your pensions as a bonus. He’s said on more than a few occasions that “outsourcing is good” It doesn’t matter if you take responsibility, our current government has sold us all out. Don’t sit there and preach “all you have to do is work hard” because it’s bullshit.
There is absolutely NOTHING on this planet that Hannity and his flock o’ followers will not distort to promote a hardcore rightwing agenda. He is a fraud, a he pimps his distortions to millions of people every day. Too bad that most of them are too stupid to realize that Hannity doesn’t give a shit about them.
I don’t need google to show me what experience already has.Statistics are easily manipulated. I speak of what I have seen myself in various hospitals in NYC. I worked in pediatrics and ob gyn and we don’t have a whole lot of married 12 year olds here but we do have a lot whose reproductive systems are shot from PID,gynecological TB,and a lot who are HIV . I don’t lack compassion for them If I did I never would have chosen the profession I did. My worry is also the future of their kids who with a teen or pre teen mom will be stuck in a cycle of poverty and early parenthood. Responsible reproduction and waiting until the maturity of the mind matches that of the body would certainly help decrease the number of kids I see having kids.
The comma in the sentence was after Limbaugh’s name and I would have said I don’t listen to them if it was true but if you want to nitpick over a slight error in the way I typed something that’s fine.
The classic definition of “Truthiness”:
“I don’t need google to show me what experience already has.Statistics are easily manipulated. I speak of what I have seen myself in various hospitals in NYC.”
Right. You feel it in your gut, so who needs facts?
So, Gypsy, what is your solution to reducing the number of unwed mothers? I only see a few options…
1. Force unmarried women to have abortions; or
2. Force pregnant women to get married; or
3. Force all women to be on birth control until they are married; or,
4. Ensure that all women have a decent chance at a good education (put more money into schools) and economic success/prosperity and hope that they have so much at stake that that they make sure they don’t have an unwanted pregnancy -but make sure that safe, legal abortions are available just in case.
Which would you choose, Gypsy?
Gypsy -
you’re obviously a caring, compassionate person. But you’re defending an ideology (and a bunch of self-serving dogs) that is absolutely not. Once that baby leaves the womb, in the neocon’s opinion, it is on it’s own. Regardless if it was born to an addicted mother in a Philadelphia ghetto or a mother working two jobs at just above minimum wage and no health insurance because our Republican controlled Congress repeatedly and traditionally blocks any sort of socialized care or federal infringement on big companies that control those wages and control that health care.
“People need to take responsibility not handouts.” Is this what you say to the working poor? Those 40-50 working Americans that can’t make ends meet because the companies they work for (and work hard I might add, on their feet typically, or getting bitched at by customers) are not obligated to pay them any more than $5.15 an hour meanwhile (and I refer here to a local grocery store chain throughout Iowa) pull in millions per quarter?
Cause that’s what Rush, Neil Cavuto, Sean Hannity, and the ilk YOU are on here indirectly defending believe in their bones.
You’re a nurse - do you not see working people without healthcare? Girls that get pregnant and have little choices?
There’s no easy answers but corporation friendly callousness from our leaders makes me say let people decide if they’re going to bring a baby into this world or not. That’s not your business.
“Those 40-50 working Americans” - I meant to say 40-50 million working Americans.
Really the only difference between pro-life and pro-choice is who makes the decision. I would never agree with aborting a child of mine but I would also never tell someone else that I know what is best for them.
If the “Right” is so concerned with keeping government out of our lives and as small as possible, their stance on abortion makes no sense.
Here’s a change of subject….Let’s see what these grumpy and sour neocons think about the elimination of the so called “death tax”. By eliminating the estate tax, President Bush and this REPUBLICAN congress will hand a a big fat government subsidy to the wealthiest one tenth of one percent of the American taxpaying public. Their generosity will make sure that the demon spawn of Ken Ley won’t have to choose between keeping their summer home in Aspen, or their villa in the Swiss Alps now that daddy’s gone tits up in the dirt. Why complicate their priveledged lives when we, as Americans, can give them both both. How can America afford to pay for it? Why, by saddling every fetus born in America with what amounts to a $38,000 “birth tax” in the form of our national debt, which they will be forced to pay off in their lifetimes. Personally, I believe that Paris Hilton should have the god-given right to to fart through as many layers of silk as her into-the-manor-born heart desires….but is this really serving the interests of all Americans? What say you?
I sincerely apologize, Gypsy, for reading that you don’t listen to Hannity. Your wording was awkward. I don’t listen to gas bags generally so I have no idea if he has ever criticized Bush. I know you don’t need Google because, well, you know what’s what. But I happen to like Google as a research tool.
You say “That doesn’t mean less unwed teens are getting pregnant. It just menas they are keeping the babies.
However, the Guttmacher Institute (number one in my search for “Teen pregnancy statistics) says the following:
“Rates of pregnancy, birth and abortion among U.S. teenagers continued their downward trend in 2000 (Table 1). Nationwide, the teenage pregnancy rate declined by 2% between 1999 and 2000 (from 85.7 to 83.6 pregnancies per 1,000 women aged 15–19).
From 1986 to 2000, the rate dropped by 22% and, more importantly, fell by 28% since peaking in 1990.
The birthrate for teenagers also declined by 2% between 1999 and 2000 (from 48.8 to 47.7 births per 1,000 women aged 15–19). The 2000 rate was 5% lower than the 1986 rate and 23% lower than the peak rate of 61.8 births per 1,000 women reached in 1991.
Teenagers’ abortion rate in 2000 was 24.0 per 1,000 women aged 15–19—some 3%
lower than the 1999 rate of 24.7 per 1,000. From 1986 to 2000, the abortion rate dropped by 43%; during the same period, the proportion of teenage pregnancies ending in abortion fell from 46% to 33%—a decline of more than one-quarter (27%).”
I’m sorry, Jeff, as you wanted to change the subject. I just thought that since Gypsy was going by her gut and doesn’t like research I’d help her out.
Gratis - I think Gypsy probably won’t even read the statistics, because, well you know, statistics can be MANIPULATED (oh the horror!!). Meanwhile, the gut just “knows” these things…bwahahahaha…this is why so many wing-nuts don’t realize that Colbert is making fun of them - they think he is one of them.
Jeremy I will answer your question. Most of my patients are without insurance via employment but do receive medicaid,WIC,HEAP,welfare and myriad other benefits. They are not lesser persons because of this. They are also unemployed often by choice not circumstance.
I have no objection to providing for those unable to provide for themselves for good reasons like disability. I myself have a child who will never grow to be an independent employeeable adult
“They are also unemployed often by choice not circumstance.”- RU talking about seniors, minors, or yuppies who inherited all their money from their dad
“They are also unemployed often by choice not circumstance.
I have no objection to providing for those unable to provide for themselves for good reasons like disability. I myself have a child who will never grow to be an independent employeeable adult.”
I don’t mean to sway the argument from abortion to other things but reasons for abortion are usually socio-economical. And I’ll tell you up front. I’m pretty anti-abortion. I don’t like when people are careless, get pregnant, and then take the easy way out. HOWEVER,
you dodge my argument, or else you do not disagree that the working poor are kept that way for a reason - because fat-pocket Republican congressmen allow extremely wealthy companies to pay a substandard living wage and provide little or no health care.
I’m not talking about Bill’s Shoe Repair downtown, I’m talking of course about Wal-mart, Taco Bell, McDonald’s, Tyson’s Foods, Manpower, large construction outfits, etc., where the dad of that potential child can not be relied on to make a decent wage because even putting in 50 hours a week brings home just enough to cover rent, a driveable car, gas, utilities, phone, and maybe food.
Foxnews is notorious (esp. John Gibson and Neil Cavuto, a VP at Fox by the way) for speaking out for these companies and the backdoor congressional capitalism that they all participate in.
Please don’t dodge this question: The minimum wage has not been raised in 10 years. Every couple years the Dems offer up another bill and every year the Republican controlled Congress (remember they took charge what? 10 years ago) knocks it down. Gypsy - you associate yourself with the right - are you ok with workers at the places I mentioned above making $5.15 an hour? On their feet? Dealing with a heavily multi-task environment and rude customers? Yes, some pay maybe a dollar more an hour but a couple of them bring in multiBILLION dollar quarters.
Clinton wanted universal health care for this country. How’d that go? We had to endure the moral majority and their fire and brimstone about what a disgrace the man brought to the sacred oval office. All possible positive legislation went right out the window while your apparent heroes investigated a blowjob and vetoed anything they could.
I also don’t believe your assessment that many of the people you see daily just don’t want to work. I live in kind of a bad neighborhood. Almost everyone up and down my block goes to work everyday. They are uneducated and have no trades however so they make peanuts - but they work f*cking hard and your dismissal of these people makes me mad so I’ll use that profanity you don’t like. Most went to Logan middle school and East High School, both crumbling schools plopped down in a crumbling neighborhood. Logan doesn’t even have a freaking sidewalk. It’s increasingly hard to get out of these situations when parents have to work multiple jobs, the kids are latchkey, and health insurance is non-existent. College?? Are you serious!?
I ask you - can you blame someone for deciding not to bring a child into this situation?
Either that or start adopting these kids and vials of stem cells.
And one other thing the sliding fee scales and government sponsored health care programs - right now that is treatment, not care. In other words, if a non-insured person has a cavity, that tooth will be pulled, not capped and not filled.
Broken arm - set it, cast it, pay your bill, and you’re on your way.
Back injury, slipped disk, ulcer, chest pains, continuing care - yea, right.
I LOVE JEBSTER. I wish I could debate the mindless as well as he can!!! Jebster I read these things just to find out what you have to say. Keep up the good work and GODBLESS YOU!!
I am proud to say I LOVE AMERICA!!! How many of you can say that??
I can say it.
I can also say I don’t hate Republicans.
But then again,I don’t consider what we have in office to be American,Republican,or Conservative.
Nationalists maybe.
At any rate,I find it extremely odd what gets spouted and touted about supposed “liberals”. I’m a registered Democrat,and argueably,liberal. I consider myself more of a centrist,but that’s neither here nor there.
I live in an area that is chock full of conservatives and liberals. I don’t see hate filled rants on the street,soldiers getting spit on by “libs”,flag burnings,etc..
Quite the opposite really. Neither side takes to doing that kind of crazy thing. Most folks go to church,and those who don’t,we all get along. No one is persecuting anyone. It’s a real live and let live situation. No one is considered better in most people’s eyes(other than on personal levels,not political) than anyone else.
I guess that’s my point really. That these two ideologies really don’t exist on any logical human level. In our heads,sure. But interacting with each other in our daily lives it rarely comes to heated words. I look at people and I honestly don’t see “liberal” and “conservative”. And I don’t think that either truly fits the majority of America. We are far too complex to fall into such easily defined categories. Some Republicans like Social Security,if you believe it. Some Democrats are against abortion,etc…
The thing about Hannity,Limbaugh,Coulter et al. is they are intentionally devicive. It’s a game specifically designed to cause a split in our culture IMO. They would have their followers believe that liberals hate our country,hate our troops,hate hate hate….. when none of that is so. They gloss over the liberals who are in our military,who have fought in our wars through history. They seem to find joy in equating conscientious objection as “traitorous” behavior.
I have to wonder why some people(thankfully,a minority in our country) feel so compelled by those broad generalisations and stereotypes. I think there is a certain segment of our country that is outside the normal thought process of most Americans.
Proof will be in the pudding IMO. Republicans and Democrats both are turning on this administration for it’s crimes against our Constitution. People were duped,some on both sides of the aisle,and the rekoning is coming. Hopefully we’ll all come out of this when the smoke clears and can shake off this miasma that has settled over what should be a citizenry that cares what happens to it’s countryman,and looks out for the best interest of everyone here…. not just who’s on your side.
In the end,a piece of advice. Whilst telling liberals to stop drinking the kool-aid,it might be a really good idea to check and see what’s been poured in your own glass. You don’t want to go out like Socrates IMO.
Ollie North, Tom DeLay and Ann Coulter. All felons right? Ann’s voting mishap was a third-degree felony, was it not?
GOP loves their crooks!
Thank you Yakki, extremely well said.
Jebster?….Bueller?…….Bueller?………
“I am proud to say I LOVE AMERICA!!! How many of you can say that??”
I love it buddy. I love mom’s apple pie, NFL football, summer vacations, porches, heavy metal. And I’m a hardcore liberal. I also served my country in the military. Can you say that??
That said, Yakki makes an excellent point about a small % of the population having this little culture war. It’s just that that small % on the right is in control right now and helping to make life miserable for scores of Americans, with all their moral “Christian”, war mongering, estate protecting, blue blood bullshit.
Smilie said: -
“I LOVE JEBSTER. I wish I could debate the mindless as well as he can!!! Jebster I read these things just to find out what you have to say. Keep up the good work and GODBLESS YOU!!
I am proud to say I LOVE AMERICA!!! How many of you can say that??”
And honest to christ Smilie, Jebster, these kind of statements here - they show raw stupidity. You don’t have the market cornered on patriotism because you support this president. That is the DUMBEST myth you dolts advance. I’m as American as evil knievel; I just strongly feel, through years of observation, reading, learning, that the kind of ideology running our country at this time is wrong for it. Just don’t even say retarded shit like that. Bill O’Reilly, Michelle Malkin, and Rush Limbaugh are filling your heads with horror stories of the evil liberal. It makes you sound like a straight up idiot.
Smilie, I can say it…here it is in my words. I am a proud, patriotic, troop loving, flag waving American Liberal Democrat.
Now, here are six things that I can say that I believe that you have been too thoroughly brainwashed to join me in saying.
1.) I love this country, as I believe all proud Americans do, regardless of their political beliefs.
2.) I respect that the opinions of my fellow Americans whose beliefs are founded in the more conservitive factions of the fabric that makes up this great nation. I believe that they too love this country even though our opinions about what is best for our combined future might differ.
3.) I believe that supporting the men and women who defend our freedoms must extend beyond placing a magnetic ribbon on the trunklid of my car. I believe that the best way to support our troops is to hold the leadership we elect accountable for their decisions, especially when it comes to sending our troops into danger.
4.) I believe the Constitution of the United States of America is the greatest document in the history of mankind, even above the bible. I wholeheartedly support the values woven into that document as well as the Declaration of Independence by our framers to assure that and we never again end up under the rule of King George.
5.) I love the entire Constitution, not just the parts I agree with, and I love it so much that I will support and defend all ammendments, especially free speech, even if I disagree with the entire sense of my being with the message that speech attempts to convey, even if it involves the burning of a flag. I will fight to my last breath against those who attempt to pollute that great document with provisions that infringe on the rights of ANY of my fellow Americans to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness, or do mot unversally extend those liberties to ALL Americans….even if they are gay.
6.) I love America so much that when I recite the Pledge of Allegence, I am willing to tolerate the opinions of any proud American who, due to their religion or secular beliefs, expresses the personal and conscious choice NOT to repeat the words “under God” as long as that person truly understands, appreciates and respects the meaning of the words ONE NATION, INDIVISIBLE.
Now, can YOU join in saying that? If you don’t feel you can, then I suggest you kiss my flag-waving, troop-loving, proud and patriotic LIBERAL American ass.
*applause*
I can join you in those sentiments.
If I may, I’d like to add one to the list:
7. I LOVE this country and am humbled by the men and women who have served this great country and protected our freedom. I would never question the partiotism or conspire to place doubt on the circumstances of someone’s service, particularly one who had served during war-time and had been wounded, permanently injured, or held as a prisoner of war, and I would speak out against anyone who would do so for political purposes, whether the person is a Rebulican (McCain) or a Democrat (Kerry, Murtha, Cleland).
Chickenhawks make me boil.
Especially chickenhawks who’s only service to their country is lip.
Smilie?……Jebster???
Bueller?……Bueller?……Bueller?….
Troll - Jebster and Smilie, a/k/a the cowards, have apparently opted to “cut and run” lol