Wow… I don’t quite know what to make of this
Published by Mike Stark July 28th, 2006 in Uncategorized
This is another Freedom Concert picture. They brought along a bunch of kids that were part of Ollie’s Freedom Alliance Leadership Program. I believe that’s Oliver North they are “saluting”.
This is truly surreal. I wish I had the sound that went with this. I wonder if it sounded like “Zeek heil”.
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Holy crap! What on earth are they supposed to be doing or pointing at or whatever? Surreal is right!
They might just be saying, “You da MAN!!”
saluting a criminal like North should still be off the table for children who are supposedly learning wholesome god and country kinds of lessons in their little military industrial complex camp of uniformity. Even then, saluting a criminal like North should be out of the question.
Of course that’s why the guy runs the camp in the first place. His own little Rotc clan.
OK, is it possible that they were bringing their hands together for a giant “GO BAYSIDE!” type cheer?
I mean, could they really be saluting him?
Look at all the mini-neo-cons.
Scary
No, it’s like the final scene of the 1970s version of Invasion of the Bodysnatchers.
Those kids are all podpeople, and North is trying to pretend to be one of them, but they can sense that he’s really just inauthentic human scum trying to pretend to be an evil space alien.
So the sound that accompanies their pointing is a high-pitched, grating “Waaaaaaaaaggggghhhhhhh!!!!!”
Take a look at this weeks TIME magazine and they have a picture of children dressed just like these kids. The only difference are the kids are at a Hezbollah camp, not a “Freedom Concert”
From one extremist group to another. No wonder there is war all across the Middle East.
Whoa. The Nazi salute. To North. Actually, it’s pretty appropriate.
look closer and you will see a number of teens who are of diverse racial backgrounds that you were lamenting weren’t there. So much for you Klan theory.
Odanny I don’t see American kids strapping on bomb vests and these “kids”are mostly H.S. juniors and Seniors . Your terrorist pals like to get the toddlers out their with their fake bomb belts and graduate to the real thing by the same age as these. That is when they aren’t using kids with Down’s Syndrome for that purpose. Or are the disabled disposable to you?
Down’s syndrome? You’ve got to be kidding. They don’t go where you aim ‘em and they play with the bomb.
*/sarcasm
I think it’s just lovely myself,those kids. We need a whole new generation of goose-stepping morons.
Thanks Yakki your compassiin for the disabled is a wonderful example of the left’s true feelings for the downtrodden. Many a truth has been said in jest. Let’s see if any of your liberal all concerned friends call you on that vile statement.
I notice you ignore the fact that what you call ” a whole new generation of goose-stepoping morons” are people of minority background. The leadership academy trains young people in self sufficiency and leadership skills if some join the ranks of the military isn’t that good? I thought you people claimed to support the troops.
Ummm….I certainly can tell you’ve never had a dictionary in your hands Brooks. Look up “sarcasm”.
Where did I say anythign about minorities? In fact,do you have a post where I claimed ANYTHING like that? Do some readin’ there partner,afore you kick that horse into gallop. Last tiem I looked,race didn’t have anything to do with being a moron….or are you saying that’s the case? Are you advocating that the reason they are morons are because they are of a “minority background”? If that’s so,then I pity you your sentiments. That’s disgusting to me,to base ones opinion on race. And especially it being kids.
It’s good,sure. Like ROTC. That’s good. But a political party training military leaders? How is that different than Saddam? How is that different than they obvious brain-washing that goes on in most(loosely) fundamentalist terrorist camps?
I’d wager with you this though. If that was a group sponsored and “trained”(LOL) by the Democrats,you’d be crapping your pants and screaming for it to be shut down. And it has not one dang thing to do with our troops,and everything to do with the consolidation of power. But I guess some foks don’t look hard enough or pay attention,unless of course it’s something that boosts their sad little ego.
The you I refer to is the general you that was previously lamenting the lack of minorities at the event.
I ubderstand sarcasm quite well that is why I said many a truth was said in jest. Now show me where I called those young people morons. I think they are fine kids and if Dems, the party I am actually a member of, had a comparable group I would applaud them too.
Wondering about a lack of minorities at an event,is far different than having some racially motivated quip to say about minorities being involved. Or are you so set on avoiding the issue that you’ll try anything to weasel out of it? Do you think it’s good to have political parties building what constitutes a youth malitia,aka. Hitler’s Youths? And no,I’m not saying that this is a fascist organisation.
As far as morons and you,that was a suggestion taken from your response to mine. I really don’t know what you think of them(other than what you now said),but you inferred that I was suggesting that they had low intellect due to their minority. And as that was the furthest thing from my mind,I had to ask whether or not it might have been a Freudian slip on your part. Or projection,if you will. If it’s not so,then that’s cool. If it is,you are a sad individual.
I never implied that you thought the young people on the photo were morons nor do I think they are based on race. I know someone is a moron only after talking to them.
This is not a partisan organization they allow children of members of all parties to join in the leadership training. Is there something fascist about learning accountablity,self reliance and how to lead? Are these not skills that will be applicable when these youths move on to college or careers regardless of what path they choose?
Why do you assume they are goose stepping? And why to you ignore that youth of all races are welcome?
sorry my typing stinks the last sentence is why do you ignore that youth of all races are welcome?
Also I notice you made no comment on the fact that I am a democrat and would applaud any democrat organization that taught the same skills.
Brooklyn….Hannity stated there were over 13,000 people at the FreeDumb concert. So far, looking through over 250 photographs taken of the crowd at the event, I have seen repetitive photos of one black man, fan shots of one woman who appears to be oriental, and a small handfull of kids on (excuse the elvis costello pun) “Oliver’s Army”. I’ll be kind and bive you…maybr….50 non-whites attending the event. Son, that is a sorry excuse for you to haul into here claiming racial diversity. Sounds more like a country club president saying “Yeah…we got a black. We ewven got one of them asians…I think we used to have us a JEW too, but he left.” Here’s a fact, son….The modern republican right is without a doubt overwhelmingly populated with white xenophobic christians. Hannity’s CONcert shows a ratio of well in excess of 250:1 white over minority….not really in line with the national population percentages, is it? Accept it and quit trying to make stupid excuses.
I’m not making excuses. The photos you viewed are of friends and of a personal nature. I can honestly say I don’t know 13,000 people. Maybe you do but I doubt it.
I am not nor have I ever been a member of the republican party. As I said before I am and always have been a democrat. The racial make up of the parties, all of them, is really not a matter of concern to me. It’s not that I am unaware it’s just I don’t really care about it that much.
I also acknowledge that regardless of party once one has acchieved the power to run on a national level or even a state wide level they have already made more compromises than the last virgin on prom night. I personally vote for those who most reflect my own personal convictions.
For the record please stop calling me son. I am female
As I said before I am and always have been a democrat.
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Thanks Yakki your compassiin (sic) for the disabled is a wonderful example of the left’s true feelings for the downtrodden.
Ok, you’re contradicting yourself, Brooklyn.
What do you really believe?
Ben because I am a democrat does that automatically mean I must think all the same things as you?
This post caused me to check into Ollie’s “Freedom Alliance” that Hannity’s CONcert proceeds go to. It is a 501(c)3 charity, yet they burn a whopping 76% of the donations they receive as “expenses” spending only 24 cents of every dollar on programs for the stated goal of providing children with scholarships. With a total revenue of over 9 million dollars raised through fundraising efforts last year (including hannity’s 2005 freedom concert), under 4 million went into the hands of the actual charity….nice organization. Charity Navigator http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6590 ranks indicate how well a charity meets industry-accepted standards and how well it compares with the other charities we evaluated.The Freedom Alliance rated a 46 out of 70 overall, (2 stars out of a possible 4) and rated zero stars on efficiency. Their score came in 114th out of 191 rated charities.
I am a democrat not a liberal they are not necessarily synonymous.
Brooklyn, nobody discussed the racial makeup of the parties. What we did discuss is the racial make up uf America (30% minority) and the racial makeup of the Hannity “Freedom” concert audience which is, at best, 0.4% minority. The Hannity audience was white…I mean Turkey-on-wonder-bread-with-mayo white. You keep trying to point out individuals in the audience as representative of minority inclusion and failing to understand that one black guy out of 250 does not even come near a sane standard for racial parity. Your arguements are rediculous at best, and blind at worst…admit it. The event was saltiene cracker white.
Thanks for the info Jeff. I will check it out and also compare it for myself with other charities. I refuse to give to the United Way because of their rather shady past. I do appreciate what you have posted and will view it for myself. I am aware of charity navigator and I am also aware that you can do your search based on a specific geographic area. For example Catholic Charities in NYC Brooklyn is rated differently than the same charity in another city.
Brooklyn…try to stay focused…we are talking about the Freedom alliance here…those other charities are bad, but using them to say that the Freedom alliance is “no worse” then them is kind of assinine.
Brooklyn, for Hannity’s CONcert audience to be truely representative of the American racial fabric, nearly just under 4,000 of the people in attendance would have been minority…Look at the pictures…does it come anywhere ceven remotely close to 4,000? Not a chance. Admit it…the Hannity audience was remarkably and disproportionately white,
Jeff no argument the majority of his listeners are white but that is not because no others are permitted to listen or attend the event. It is simply a matter of choice.
I worked in an office of 400 where I was only 1 of 3 whites. Someone even when asked who I was replied you have to know her we only have 3 of them. It was actually funny and I had a more enjoyable work experience there than any other place I’d ever worked. I really don’t care about race for friends or coworkers or concert attendees. The whole race issue was brought up by people who viewed those phtots and commented on them on another blog.
Jeff I wasn’t saying that. A little insight might tell you that after researching the issue I will make an informed choice as to where my money goes and I thanked you for your input.
Wow, brook…I goess by your story you have experienced the same repression that minorities have felt throughout the history of the United States…Poor you. Nobody said Hannity’s message bars people of color, but you have to admit, the things he says certainly do not make people of color feel welcome among his ranks. It has noting to do with permission, Brooklyn…what you should be asking yourself is “what is it about Hannity’s message that makes minorities NOT want to be part of it?” That’s the question.
Brooklyn, Has anyone ever spit on you because of the color of your skin? In your family tree, are there any ancestors hanging from branches because of the color of their skin? I think you know absolutely SQUAT about racism in America…to quote you, “the majority of his listeners are white but that is not because no others are permitted to listen or attend the event. It is simply a matter of choice.” Wow…isn’t it nice to be white, born in America and have the freedom to express “choice”? 40 years ago blacks in the south had “choice”. They had the opportunity to “choose” to drink from the colored water fountain, or get their skull cracked. See…”Choice” is everywhere in the land of opportunity.
And why exactly should I ask myself this? Isn’t that for the person issuing the message to ask himself?
No I never said I have experienced anti black bias. I just thought it was a funny story. My experiences and any prejudice I may have been subjected to are not based on my whiteness. Oh what the heck here is another funny story. My partner on case management left a caricature on my desk with the caption Oh goody another white girl and no she wasn’t white. I guess one might view it as a racial incident I just found it funny and she and I are still good friends despite the fact that I had to quit the job to take care of my disabled child
Brooklyn, had significant numbers of minorities been in attendance at Hannity’s “Freedom” concert, they likely would have been there to protest his message of intolerance. We know how Hannity treats those who oppose his views…Just ask Mike Stark. One guy showed up to passively document Hannity’s message, and he was ejected….Tell me, Brooklyn…Did mike Stark leave the “Freedom CONcert as a matter of “Choice”?
Jeff have any members of your family been herded off to concentration camps? Did you grow up without an extended family because of this? Did your father grow up an orphan after his own liberation? Did you ever have nightmares that they were coming to round you up? Did your father have nightmares about it until he died?
Maybe you’re note as bright as you think
Brooklyn, this is not about you. You can drop your lame anticdotes and concentrate on the bigger picture…Do you believe Hannity’s message appeals to minorities and if not, why?
Brooklyn….I am the one that recognizes that there is still a significant racial issue in America…you are the one who is trying to sweep it under a carpet because Ollie North had black youths in his “Freeddom Alliance” photo. Quit trying to turn this into something it is not…I ask you again…If Hannity represents the opinions of America as a whole, why is hus audience so overwhelmingly white?
I have attended many concerts not just the Freedom Concert and I have been to Great Adventure a good number of times. I have small kids you see and they enjoy the rides. What I have never seen is someone present at concert and parks with tv cameras. 1 It is bootlegging and theft of intellectual property to record performing artists without their permission so he never would have been permitted to film the performers. 2 People out at amusements parks aren’t typically filmed for disemination in the public arena.
Did Mike intend to get releases for any interviews he did as the news media must do? I have been interviewed and had to give my permission for the film to be used.
Brooklyn, Mike had a press pass, and had permission from the park to film. Mike clearly had better reason to have a camera there than any member of the Mark Levin fan club….funny how Hannity doesn’t mention them as breaking the law…Oh that’s right…he SUPPORTS them. Mike was legit and legal. He did nothing to hide his nameor identity and obtained the proper permissions prior to filming. Drop the lame arguement and answer the question…What is it about Hannity’s message that makes minorities stay away from him?
So the extermination of the Jews in Nazi Germany is a lame anectdote. Why my Jewish brethren vote for liberals is beyond me.
I believe people are individuals and the message, any message, appeals to the individual. I don’t expect all people of a particular social group to think alike. Why do you? Isn’t that ignoring someone’s personhood and somewhat racist in and of itself?
Brooklyn, the news media does not have to get signed releases. All they must do is make the person aware they are being filmed. If they are on private property, they must first obtain the permission of the property owner, which Mike did. ..I guess this is yet another area where your ignorance abounds.
Brooklyn…I’m sorry to inform you, but you are an idiot. Have a nice day.
We, Jeff, were you there? I would like to see the rest of his film. If you had all the proper releases I suppose none of my family will appear as we did not grant our express permission. See the park can’t waive my rights nor that of a recording artist.
No when interviewed I was read a statement and gave permission on video. But I’ll check with my AFTRA source as to your acuracy.
I must say I enjoyed the back and forth until you reverted to type and insulted me when backed into a corner.
Have a nice day.
Brooklyn…I’m sorry to inform you, but you are an idiot. Have a nice day.
Name one white spoke person that has an audience that is mirrored to our population ratio.
Do not count churches where in a lot of cases there are more blacks then whites attends. When a white preacher is the head of the church.
Actually, they used a teenager with some sort of developmental disability to drive the truck in Beirut in 1983. However, they did shot him up with heroin prior to putting him behind the wheel.
Joh how humane of them. I was referring to another incident
sorry John I said before mt typing stinks
Smilie…easy. Bill Clinton. Next?
Want another one? One that isn’t political? Jon Stewart.
Now, want to tell me what the minority viewership of Fox News is?
HEY EVERYONE…DID YOU HEAR? Sean just added TONY ORLANDO to the list of headliners for the San Diego show! WOW!!! Lee Greenwood, Hank Williams, Charlie Daniels AND Tony Orlando on the SAME STAGE! Not only are the streets of BRANSON MISSOURI going to be dark, but with Tony Orlando on the ticket….what happened…Kroger’s isn’t opening any new stores on Wednesday?
Want ot hear the plus side?….BROOKLYN counts Tony Orlando as a “minority”. Now Sean can add a hispanic to your black guy, Asian chick and Ollie’s Kids…Got a veritable UNITED NATIONS going on there!
Sean called Tony Orlando to ask if he was available…Orlando said “Let me check my calendar….Yeah Sean…I can make it….I don’t have anything booked for that DECADE.
Actually Mr Orlando is Greek and Puerto Rican so I guess he only gets counted as half a minority, Right? I don’t do a head count of people based on race like you,Jeff. It was Mike Stark who started this pissing contest on another blog.
Another tidbit for your information. Tony Orlando was always scheduled it’s Charlie Daniels who was added and if you are not aware he books about 280 shows a year.
280 shows a year? Really? I didn’t know there were that many county fairs in America…Interesting! Thanks for the info, Brooklyn…It appears that I have finally prompted you to go out and learn to google a little research on your own! And they say you dan’t teach a pig to sing!
If that wasn’t your intention,or the implication,then I apologise for taking it the wrong way.
I understand it’s not a partisan organisation. That had nothing to do with my initial point. Neither is the fact that they are racially diverse. None of that has to do with anything I had typed. My point was the idea of a para-military organisation. And there is nothing wrong with learning those values IMO. But to have an obvious political entity do it,seperate from any controls by the US military,with FULL authorization of the administration in power is a recipe for disaster.
And if someone doesn’t think that they aren’t raising those children to be “good little neocons”,then I don’t know what to tell you. And FYI,if it was Democrats I’d be pitching a fit too. Private militia is good. Politically funded militia by the parties in power= bad idea.
And that was the crux of my arguement,and the reason for the “goose-stepping” comment. And IMO,we don’t need anymore goose-stepping morons in our country. We certainly have enough already.
Tony Orlando?
“Knock three times on the ceilin’ if you want me….”
I like Tony. Not a big fan or anything but I always dug that tune.
“‘yet they burn a whopping 76% of the donations they receive as “expenses” spending only 24 cents of every dollar on programs for the stated goal of providing children with scholarships”
Jeff, that is incredible, and so sadly predictable. Any Republican oriented venture to include a charity or benefit is corrupt. The organizers rake in the till, just like Tom Delay taught the Republican Party to do. With help from Jack Abramoff and likely an army of well connected types.
The Republican Party is not the party of Abraham Lincoln. It is more like Ronald Reagan on CRACK!
Wow. Scary. North is probably the most hitler-esque man of influence in our country.
bush. No, bush is hitler/napoleon.
87 percent, by a recent poll, want bush impeached.
Get rid of these arrogant sadistic clowns. Some clowns are very scary indeed.
Hitler’s youth programs were effective in swaying children “towards his kind of thinking”. This is just the modern day equivalent, for all of those who don’t believe such things exist in the modern day age.
Shorter Brooklyn:
I am a female, democrat, jewish mother of a disabled child who really doesn’t like “the left” or Mike Stark, or the people I call “terrorist” without naming who they are (which is really code for ARAB), and would like to point out that there are ‘minority’ youth in the picture above, making any reference to the Freedom Concert being mostly white somehow inaccurate (and maybe racist, you hypocritical leftists).
And also, you got me to post on this thread, which has somehow become all about you (or who you say you are, which I don’t buy anyhow).
Weird!
About the picture, it’s really too much to hope that was a real nazi salute, but damn is it funny.
Looks like more programmed Hitler Youth to me!!
What has the US become?
Anyone, Anyone?
Tracy
“I don’t see American kids strapping on bomb vests and these “kids”are mostly H.S. juniors and Seniors.”
We use economic terrorism instead. And nowadays we use our military as a terroristic tool!
Aww, c’mon America. Give it a try.
You never know, you might like picking up where Hilter left off?
Ya got the raping and killing and torture and death camps and theft of other nations resources down. All it’ll take is a little push and you’ll be goose-stepping all over the place.
Stop comparing Bush to Hitler! It’s just not fair to the man.
Hitler actually served in combat.
We’ve known for years that the public school system exists to turn children into either good little factory workers or good little soldiers (ever wondered why such emphasis on football?). It stands to reason that a great many other groups exist with similar purpose so as to reinforce the message more firmly and pick up the kids not in public schools.
Bush is Hitler with downsyndrom. I mean this with no insult to the mentally handi-capped.
This COULD be a Pentacostal thing rather than the N-word thing. In charismatic churches, it is common for members of the congregation to lay hands on people recieving prayer. Just pointing your hand towards the prayee is a substitute developed in the Vineyard churches when there was a service in a gym w/ no air-conditioning. (We heard this story when we used to attend Vineyard). It was too hot to crowd in close & actually touch those being prayed for, so they just pointed their hands in their direction. It spread throughout the denomination (it’s quicker and more pray-ers can participate) and thence to other charismatic groups.
So it could possibly NOT be what it - um - looks like.
But then it could be too, knowing Ollie & his connections. :O
lavalady Jul 30th, 2006 at 11:30 am
I’ve got to agree with you. Brooklyn says she’s a dem but spends her time spouting rw talking points. Sounds like traditional troll tactics; pretend to be one of the fold all the while espousing the pablum of the right.
(moved from another topic due to accidental post there)
So Brooklynn is a Jewish lady?
Welp,that makes my question even more pertinent considering the Jewish massacres of WWII.
Sis,let me ask again. Do you think it’s good for a political entity,the Freedom Alliance,to be funding(with full support of the party in power,who have majority control over the House,Senate and Congress….and a split onthe Supreme court) a para-military organisation aimed at our kids? And does this not strike you as a movement similar to Hitler’s youth corp?
That’s an honest question there. One that I think,with your particular cultural background,you would be more thna eager to answer. I humbly await.
Oh and let’s not forget the president.
Also,why are you avoiding Jeff’s question? It’s a valid question,and I would certainly like to hear the answer.
Please. Continue.
ummmmmmmm…
i dont mean to spoil all the nazi references, but they are POINTING at that war criminal.
not saluting him.
look closer.
SICK!
Ollie’s mother is a jew, name of Lubitch. I guess you might say Ollie is a son of a lubitch, whereas GW is just a plain old son of a bitch.
They could be doing an all hands in cheer, you know, where everybody puts thier hands in the middle like a baseball team when they yell 2 4 6 8 who do we appreciate ect.
BTW Brooklynn,I have another question.
Is this organisation bipartisan? Meaning,does the Freedom Alliance Acadamy have liberal members of it’s staff? Like teachers and such?
Patiently waiting you insight.
Oliver? Wasn’t this the guy involved with huge amounts of sweet nose candy that was shipped raw by the military into the West Coast lower districts and made into crack? And the millions made , exchanged for guns to be flown into South America? Why, yes he was! And he’s an American hero?? America, ya’ll is one dirty skank licker. You sure does admire your whores and criminals, I tells ya. Share that freedom like the slut you are.
Spread it bitch. Ahhhhhhhhh. More freedom, more!!
Caption time…
“OK kids, see you the same time next week for a lesson on the use of white phosphorous.”
Okay, folks…here’s what a truly racially diverse crowd looks like. Take a look, Brooklyn…then maybe you will begin to understand just how silly your lame arguements really are. http:// www.firedoglake.com/2006/07/30/your-daily-ned-7/
Ok I’m actually in that picture, and thats now even a US Military salute…
We were just pointing to him because we were told to when we took the picture, and it looks like yall just got out of hand because it looks like some Nazi organization. Its not a Hitler Youth or anything, we were just invited to do a Freedom Alliance program for a week and we were asked to help support the children of the US Troops in the concert.
We didn’t even really meet Oliver North, the only thing he really did was take a picture of us and say good job.
You know that talk radio is geared toward the “angry white man” demographic right? He’s a victim too you know and he likes to whine just like everybody else. Hannity and them just misdirect their anger away from the powerful.
Check out “Falling Down” w/Michael Douglas. He plays a fed up man angry about his job, his car, his divorce, his custody battles, the food at McDonalds, the price of food. He feels victimized by the world and ends up going on a rampage all with a clear conscience.
Tisk, tisk, tisk…..You people keep insinuating that Neo-cons use minorities as a front. If that was true, then why would they promote the African American Republican Leadership Council? Their webpage (http://www.aarlc.org) states their mission is: “to break the liberal democrat stranglehold over Black America by directing the only national campaign to raise and increase African Americans support for common sense Reaganite Republican public policies and candidates.”
And, what prominent African American Republicans can you find on Advisory Panel? Why, prominent African American Republicans like Sean Hannity, Grover Norquist, Gary Bauer, Paul Weyrich, Steve Baldwin, Stephen Moore, Rev. Lou Sheldon and Kenneth Timmerman? (For those of you who don’t understand sarcasm, Hannity, Norquist, Bauer, Weyrich, Baldwin, Moore, Sheldon and Timmerman are all white.) In fact, out of the 14 people who are listed on the “advisory panel”, 12 are white.
Isn’t it a shame that neo-cons like Hannity can’t even find racial shills to sit on the board of a sham racial shill organization?
Gene Weingarten of the Washington Post wrote an excellent article on the AARLC. It can be found here; http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A58238-2003Jan29
Fuck this Fuck this all you ppl who thinkk that this is a nazi pic…yall are so gay find something better to do with yourself….p.s. we were pointing at him for letting us be able to do what we did that week..he is such a great guy…oliver north my hero
^^^^^^^^^^
Ain’t it just like a Neo-con to send a child in to fight their battles for them? Oliver North is your HERO? I pray for you, child…I pray for you.
Miss Alliance gal,would you please clear up the quandry? Where you all pointing at Ollie because of what he “let” you do that week,or is it like Delgado says,and you were “told” to do that for the photo op?
And did you get to have a warm,one-on one(or several on one) meet and greet with Ollie,or was it just a photo op?
I really don’t understand why,if htis is all a big misunderstanding,you folks won’t clear any of this up. I mean,it’s not like anyone has anything to hide I’m sure,and I don’t believe they would have you sign non-disclosure agreements or anything.
All this would be so simple if you’d just explain what’s up.
And I am still waiting. Patiently.
Yakki, It was a chant. Just before the photo was snapped, North put the bullhorn to his lips and shouted “Who ‘da CROOK?” The kids replied, “You ‘da CROOK, Ollie, You ‘da CROOK!”
ok all i can say to this is wtf people get a life omg i was one of thoes people in the picture u are all the reason y there is still raceism in the world we all where POINTING AT HIM because of what he allowed us to do that week we could of left any second we wanted to this was a choice we had to come or not that week we learned about leadership and to be better leaders that does help a lot in life u will use leadership in almost any career u go into it wasnt for only military people most of the people there arent going 2 join the military some of us wherent even in rotc they didnt try to make us join the military. we where there 2 help and for the experence of that week it was one of the best weeks of my life that day we where helping out injured warriors that have fought in wars for you for your freedom and to help other people experence the thing u take for granted freedom doesnt come free that day i got to talk 2 some of the greatest people that live in this country which is more than i can say for you people like u make me sick they fought for u some of them cant even do what they use to we where returning the favor for one day and we where there to help the faimly’s that have lost somebody in a war we arent some natzi groupwe got to experence some great things that week and people criticize us for helping??
Freedom Dude…. no one is “criticising” you. It’s a good thing that you felt strongly enough to go and help.
However,to represent yourself(meaning,the Freedom Alliance) as a bipartisan organisation attempting to create a para-military organisation(that funky part about “leadership” and “service”),and yet there are no liberal representatives is a LIE.
Secondly,what ties does this group have to the party in control of our government at the moment? Is everyone supposed to think,as close as good(or bad) ‘ol Ollie is to those in right now,that he isn’t receiving help with this? And what’s the real agenda btw? Whne more money is spent on advertising(read,propaganda) than the actual children involved?
Maybe you have received a scholarship. That’s great. But you’re in the minority there since they spend a crapload more on administrative costs than they do actually giving it to you kids. Does that sound like a “charity”?
But I take it you are a college age(or slightly younger) child and I’m sure you’ve had history in school. What does this smell like,if I may ask? A political entity with a majority of governmental power,creating a “youth” para-military unit.
As far as the stick about how others have “fought in wars” for us,I hate to tell you but lots of folks have fought in wars for us. People of all walks of life,but certainly not Hannity et al. And as far as Ollie is concerned,the guy is a crook. And the only reason Reagan didn’t get his butt in a vise is because he was POTUS at the time they got caught red-handed. Remember that “We don’t negotiate with terrorists!” mumbo-jumbo that all those good neoconservative leaders spout? Their idols Reagan and North broke that cardinal rule even before it was written.
Which is to say,this has nothing to do with the “troops”,not on our end and certainly not on the Alliance’s end. It looks more like to me,that it’s about creating a new machine to get neocons elected.
And please,if you don’t mind when you answer back…..could you use a little punctuation? I’m not slamming you at all,I just found your post very hard to understand as a run on sentence.
BTW Freedom dude….another small question. Why “point”? Also,did you kids think of that yourself,or were you instructed to do so as Delgado has answered?
That’s two of you kids that have left answers,yet aI can’t get a straight answer.
Please.
We were asked to point by the photographer…He said everyone point! and so we were like yea lets point b/c you know we all want to point out the greatest guy..that was there besides all of the war heroes of course..
P.s.the photographer also asked us to take off our hats probably to make us look like we were representing liberals”or like were f*cking nazis or whatever”
You guys put to much thought in everything Jesus says trust in him and everything will be ok
Freedom Alliance Girl…..
Wow..
First you spew “F—ing Nazis…. then in the very next sentence you say liberals think to much, and that Jesus says trust in him and everything will be ok.
Without thinking too much about it, I would say Jesus must have cringed upon hearing you say that.
But everything will be ok for you.
I would ask my dear,why you think liberals don’t wear hats? Is that some sort of new talking point? As far as being mistaken for one,I highly doubt it. Not even Ollie could pull that one off,master of disguise he is.
I have no idea WHY the photographer would ask you to do this,I have no idea. But rest assured,he definetly wasn’t a “liberal”. There is no way under heaven that Ollie would let a photographer with an obvious oliberal leaning take propaganda pics for him.
And as far as that is concerned,I’d doubt it even more from what happened to Mike.
Now,as to “Jesus”,I have to ask how He has anything to do with this. I sincerely doubt that He is in support of the likes of Coulter or Hannity,with their serously malfunctioning sense of compassion. Unless of course one thinks that Jesus fully supports “bombing and converting to Christianity” or wishing suicide bombers would blow up newspaper offices. Or for that matter,mischaracterise a broad section of our society(who are Christians as well) with the giddy delight of a pharisee. Or maybe helping to add to this culture of hate the neocons have going on.
I have yet to see anyone provide actual cited instances of Liberals doing this. Meaning liberals with media credentials,calling for deaths of Conservatives. There are those that mischaracterise righties,but on no level the same as Faux-n-Fiends.
And on that note,I have another question to add to the growing list that remain unanswered. Why do neocons hide behind God all the time? Is it an ideological thing,to play the religion card when you’re stuck between a rock and a hard place,or just accidental? If the latter,it’s a pretty common accident IMO.
The above photo is a still from “Village Of The Damned”
The kids are ‘air-whacking’ Ollie
Upon enlargement, it is revealed that each kid is offering Ollie a vienna sausage
The kids are training to be microphone-holding syncophants
Who Farted?
Freedom Dude, Freedom alliance girl,
The one thing you are forgetting while you are heaping praise on Ollie is that Oliver North was tried and convicted for crimes against this nation, and the only reason that his conviction was eventually overturned is because he had been issued limited immunity for his testemony before congress in the iran/contra hearings, which the appeals court found may have been pregudicial to the jury who convicted him. The fact is, Oliver North, your hero, lied to congress and hid a program to divert weapon sales to Iran to fund contra rebels, violating a congressional statute titled the Boland Ammendment, which directly prohibited the federal government from providing military support “for the purpose of overthrowing the Government of Nicaragua.”
Now, if you want to thank someone who served your Nation, you can start with someone Mike Stark, who also served as a marine, but has never been convicted of lying to congress. Ask Ollie why Mike, a Marine Corp Veteran, was ejected from Ollie’s “Freedom” concert because of his political views.
You are right, freedom is not free…but what they sold you that day had nothing to do with freedom…it was political hatred. If you want to honor the troops, I suggest you choose an event that leaves politics at the door, and tells ALL who serve “thank you”…not just those who share Ollie’s political bend.
You are young, and I do not expect you to know the difference yet, but when it comes to heros, truth be told, Ollie North doesn’t deserve to shine Mike’s shoes.
Nor any other US soldier’s IMO.He and his handlers(read “jelly-bean” Reagan) should have been treated as any of the conscientious objectors decrying this war,which means: traitor.
After all,what’s good for the goose is good for the gander,right? Reaganites should make note the next tiem they bow down before his statue to pray.
Oliver North is a first class jackass and also quite the lying fool. I don’t care what political party these young sheep are a part of they just don’t understand how they are being used by the wingnut leaders of the radical right. North does make the perfect hero for the rightwingnuts because of his criminal past, his pardon goes down in history as an abuse of power by Bush and what a fine mentor for the new fascist youth he makes. A fine example of freedom to have them see reporters with legit credentials booted from this “freedom event”. As far as good examples of folks that served our nation in combat we mustn’t forget Sen.Kerry. While Bush was snorting coke at some keg party Kerry was in combat earning medals. Dubya NEVER saw combat, he just did drugs and didn’t finnish his service protecting the gulf coast from VC attack. Kerry came home and told the truth about the war in Asia, it was wrong for us to be there. North came home and lied to Congress…..great mentor.
“you are so gay find something better to do” from FAG You have been trained well!!!!!! Or should I say brainwashed, in your case an enema. If you don’t think what that photo shows is a fascist salute you need to go to school and learn some history. Now of course if you go to a school run by neo-conmen like your assclown hero Ollie then you will learn nothing but what you’ve spewed here, ignorant drooling blather straight from the playbook of hate-mongering right wing fascist. Did you notice you initials of Freedom Alliance Girl comes out to something you obviously don’t like…… FAG. Piss off Fascist Alliance Girl or maybe go to school and learn how you’ve been used by hate-mongers.
Oh come on Dimitri!
They were just pointin’ at Ollie for what he “let” them do!
Myself,I’d rather have taken Ollie to the zoo with me. Yep,that’s right,he and I could have made a fun day. He could even get pointed at too.
I’d take him by the monkey cage and let an ape “point”(read: throw,for the slow of wit) crap in his direction.
Hey freedom dude you really don’t understand what freedom means when you spew your hate. It make you sick that “these people” fought in wars for our freedom??? You are one ignorant little fascist pig.
You have been brainwashed or just like FAG you had an enema. Both of you can defend your bootcamp, but remember if you get sent down the road to some war based on lies and come back in a flag draped coffin there will always be people like me that will honor you no matter what you think of me, but despise the chickenhawks that sent you to your death for no good reason but greed.
Maybe some day you will see the light and understand that freedom isn’t just what your hate-monger hero friends say it is. If you believe in freedom you would welcome the debate not try to shut it down like Hannity, Coulter or Rush. Open your eyes and you will see that what these people are doing to our nation is treasonous and sending you and others off to this occupation of Iraq for example is wrongheaded.
I don’t really care what is said on this thread….this photo looks very damning. I feel very confident we already have a healthy share of “Hitler Youth Camps” all over this fine country. Just different names and different covers.
Just think what we could have accomplished in Iraq with passing out clean clothes, assuring a full stomach, and dispersing food and medicine to the natives instead of blowing them all to hell and igniting a civil war for them to deal with. We WERE doing that prior to our “liberation” of the Iraqi people into a cesspool of bloodshed.
Yeah Hulk, I agree. As for the right wing rant that Iraq is “better off” without Saddam, they should poll the average citizen in the rubble-strewn, car-bombed center of Baghdad. Bet they wouldn’t like the answer.
You can say what you want about oliver north,If he is a bad person in your eyes then that is what he is.The only thing that me and FAD are trying to do is defend the one good week that we had.Oliver North was the founder but aside from being at that concert we never even talked to the guy it was like any other of the 3 camps that i had.Except for the fact that this camp was the best one that i had been through and you guys meaning “all you people replying to this”(i’m not catergorizing either)can say whatever yall want but That week wasn’t about politics or who was against who or who had done wrong in the past it was about leadership not taught by oliver either but by mr coolidge an ex-army official as well as mr Lin a corporal in the marines,this whole trip wasn’t about talking.We would do pt and got to expeierience things and see things that wouldn’t have been possible on our own.I learned to pull together as one and i was no longer an individual but i was part of a group.This trip and the events i will never forget.For that one day at the Freedom concert as i said it was no longer about politics it was aabout meeting these awesome peoople who had done great things.That to me was an honor,it wasn’t and honor to have this great guy “mike stark” take a ridiculous photo and make it into something that it’s not.You guys are so mad at Oliver North for being something that he isn’t well this picture is made out to be something that it’s not.Why does there have to be something wrong with everything.Yes we were pointing…no we were not saluting.Do you guys really think that someone in the crowd would actually say “hey! lets act as if he’s hitler” “yup sounds great!lets all salute and heil Hitler”Be mad at Oliver if you want it’s great to have an opposing view but don’t take it out on the kids who went to this camp to learn about leadership and were asked to point there fingers at a man who they never knew a opposing view except for the fact that he had done great things.You say that we are children in school and we don’t know better well that’s fine..you be the adults and at least know better than to accuse an innicent photo of being something that it’s not
Just some advice, Freedom Alliance Girl,
Paragraphs are your friend.
Alliance Girl.
There is no “in our eyes” with respect to North. I realise you are (probably) fairly young,and won’t remember the Iran/Contra affair as personally as many of us do. Let’s put it this way,when Sean and company talk about people they see as “treasonous”,that’s how many of us feel about North. Admittedly,ReaganCo threw Ollie under a bus,but he was as guilty as sin himself. There is no “opinion” about that darlin’.
As far as blaming you kids,I don’t. I blame the people who are using you. Let’s think for a moment,shall we? Elections are coming up. I would wager good money with you,that the majority(if not all) members of any racial organisation( the Klan,White Aryan Movement,etc..) are CONSERVATIVE voters. It follows along with their ideology see,to get things back to the “way they wuz”. NOw,you kids represent a perfect photo-op. And it wouldn’t matter to the Nation that you were merely “pointing”. It looks good enough,see? And there’s nothing wrong with that under our law. But it looks horrible on an organisation,and by inference you kids.
Now myself,I don’t believe that fairy tale I just wove. But it is what some will take from that photo. Others will take that you all really are fascists without even looking deeper. There are options from guilty to innocent there. So the question presents itself as to why they would put you kids in that position?
Ok,so you say it wasn’t about politics. Then how do you explain the obvious demonization of Democrats and liberals(myself being a Democrat)? Was that all in good fun? Did Sean and Ann and Wilkow just need to let off steam or something?
There is NO doubt that the event was politicized. Let’s see….Malkin says in her writing that she would attend wearing a Kerry flip-flop shirt. Why? What did John Kerry have to do with this? Take a moment and think real hard.
And Malkin isn’t the only one with those same little tricks. A piece of advice little sis. When they tell you that an event isn’t political,yet pull the stunts they did,that means they LIED to YOU.
I truly wish you kids well. And I hate seeing a young adult get screwed over without even knowing.
An apology to you Alliance girl.
It wasn’t Malkin that claimed to be wearing that t-shirt ot the concert. It was some other devicive idiot.
Again,apologies for the misinformation.
Thank you, Ben. Whatever these kids are learning in school, it sure isn’t grammar, punctuation or spelling.
I know the internet sort of fosters this type of “communication shorthand”, but the communication that results is abysmal. Sad to say, this is epidemic in this generation; I encounter scores of seemingly well-educated young people entering the workplace who cannot write a simple declarative sentence, let alone tell you what that might be.
So their well-meant thoughts about the state of the world they are unforunately inheriting come across as so much gibberish.
I know I sound like my father, but the old man was far wiser than I’d ever imagined.
Good luck, Freedom Dude and Freedom Alliance Girl. Your views (woefully unformed and uninformed though they may be) are yours, and the sacred First Amendment protects them far more than Ollie North, George Bush and the flag will.
But if you ever get a chance to take a course on writing someday, grab it. At least you’ll be able to espouse those views intelligently.
That week was one of the best weeks that i’ve had i wouldn’t change it for the world you guys tell us were still children in school and we don’t know better,i ask of you guys to be the adults and not accuse a picture of being something that it isn’t we were simply pointing at ollie,you all make such a big deal out of nothing that’s the reason we can’t live at peace,If your mad at ollie ok then be mad at him but don’t take it out on kids who went to a program to learn to be better citizens,and no we weren’t taught by ollie we had other instructors..Come on can you guys really sit here and make urselves believe that one of us was like”hey!lets all act like nazis and hail ollie as if he was our hitler”if you think that you have problems.All of you want to talk logically but my making this picture something that it isn’t you all make urselves look ridiculous,and why??Because you …all you of you weren’t at the camp so you can’t honestly say that it was bad beacause you don’t know what we learned or how we lived.
Freedom Alliance Girl,
In your first post, you told us, “we were pointing at him for letting us be able to do what we did that week..he is such a great guy…oliver north my hero”
In your second post, you said, “We were asked to point by the photographer…He said everyone point!”
Now you tell us, “Oliver North was the founder but aside from being at that concert we never even talked to the guy.”
Put together, the three statements seem a little at odds.
Look, I am glad you had such a wonderful experience at the camp. What I am NOT glad about is that Ollie North used you for a photo op. The idea of the leadership program you took part in was positive, and I thank Mr. Coolidge and Mr. Lin for making the experience apolitical and memorable for you…. but, unfortunatey, the Freedom Alliance does not limit their work to such positive efforts. They are are an advocacy group for conservitive causes, and you need look no further than five of their latest press releases for proof, they were titled, 1) “Senate: Just Do It - Confirm John Bolton as Ambassador to the United Nations”
2) International Power Grab: One of the main criticisms Americans have of the United Nations is that it is an “ineffective” institution.”
3) ALL STARS: In a unique fireworks show, North Korean dictator Kim Jong Il ordered the “test” launch of seven ballistic missiles, breaching Pyongyang’s 1999 pledge to abstain from such activities.”
4) “U.S. Not UN’s Problem: It’s the Other Way Around - The fact that the UN Secretary General Kofi Annan will not repudiate his second in command, Deputy Secretary General Mark Malloch Brown, for his blistering criticism of the United States this week, is exactly why most Americans have no faith in that institution, and why ever fewer believe it can ever be reformed, says Freedom Alliance President Tom Kilgannon.” and
5) No Immigration Reform Better Than a Bad Bill”
Now, of those five press releases, which ones dealt with honoring our troops? None of them were…and I find it dispicable that the FA hides behind their troop support when they are actully a shill for conservitive propaganda.
Lastly, Freedom Alliance Girl, I respect that your posts have calmed down considerably…In your shoes, I would probably be angry at first too….however, according to the Freedom Alliance website, the seven core values instilled through your program include the following;
Integrity - Do what is right, legally and morally.
Responsibility - Be ready to answer for your conduct.
Respect - Treat people the way that they should be treated.
Courage - To face danger or criticism with calmness and firmness.
Now, as a young adult, can you tell me which of these values were addressed by you and Freedom Dude making the following statements?
“people like u make me sick”
“Fuck this Fuck this all you ppl”
“yall are so gay”
“P.s.the photographer also asked us to take off our hats probably to make us look like we were representing liberals”
Are those the values that Ollie teaches you? Sounds like a foundation for good future leadership to me. Even though you were angry, I think you owe some apologies.
One more thing…Mike Stark did not take the photo of you pointing at Ollie. I believe that was a promoter for the Freedom Alliance. It was a poor choice of pose given that you were in Camo BDUs…the impressions here are a natural result….Col North should have known better.
Lastly, I am courious…what led you and Freedom Dude to come here? Were you perusing liberal blogs on an off chance that you would find something interesting, or were you and Freedom Dude prompted to come here by someone connected with the Alliance? I would like to know.
In closing, You seem to be someone who has the natural ability to think for yourself. I suggest you use a little time on the web to do a little research on your own on Ollie North and his role in the Iran-Contra affair before you declare him your Hero. You can start by looking up his bio on www.Wikypedia.org. Also, read up on the Freedom Alliance. They tell you that every dollar collected goes to scholarships and programs, but their financial books tell a different story. Good luck.
Amen Jeff.
Ag,please reread the comments I’ve made. At no time did I say that “YOU”,meaning you kids were at fault here. The initial post was tongue in cheek,but everything else has been to distance you all from their behavior as best I’m able.
As for you being young and not “knowing better”,it’s simple. Everyone is young once. Myself,I was as naive as all get out. IT wasn’t until I’d put a few more wear marks on the old tires that things started to filter through. Being young is good,you have your whole life ahead of you.
As for what you asked us to do,that would be kind of hard,wouldn’t you agree?
As as far as “us” blowing things out of proportion,did anyone ever give you a rendition of the “Dean Scream”? Or any other supposed liberal action that they deemed “super-goofy?” Or how about the distortion that liberals “hate America” and are “on the side of terrorists”. Does that sound like a mischaracterisation,considering that you’ve actually talked to a few real liberals now?
However,my point isn’t that it WAS a Nazi salute,or that you all are Nazis. My point is,it looks bad on you kids and they stuck you in the fire. Second point is,it’s frightening to have a party-in-power “givin’ a hand” to something like this. And let’s not beat around the…ahem….Bush here. There are serious connections to our government in the alliance advisory panel. And none of them are Democrats. Not to swift for a bipartisan organisation.
As far as you being Conservative,IMO DON’T EVER CHANGE. There’s nothing wrong with Conservatism IMO. It’s this new breed,these NeoCons that are the real problem. We’ve gotten along better in our country without their devicive behavior. And I really wish that kids could distance themselves from these nutbags.
I personally was led here by DELGADO,yes we are shown these core values in the Freedom Alliance program that doesn’t take the fact away that i am shown on a website and am demonstrated..or accordingly accused of being a part of a nazi clan or whatever you all called us.This is like the dang paparazzi only worse because you never let it live down…something that was Nothing.
By the way JEFF…my entries make perfect sense…
1.)We never talked to Oliver but once we were told by mr Coolidge that he was the one who made it possibble to go on this trip of ours…the food ,the trip,it was all great..So we thought of him as a great guy.
2.)The photographer said point at mr. north
3.)We did considering what he had done for us that week and we all figured that we were pointing him out in a crowd..because he was shorter and because he was the important one in that picture
Now you put the three togehter and it sounds perfectly fine.I love you guys all of you i love you so much please take care i must go now…
Suck it up, kiddies…could this Ollie North be your “hero”?
Oliver “Ollie” North is, without question, America’s favorite traitor. He helped the Reagan administration commit a bunch of felonies, then destroyed evidence as fast as he could before the Iran-Contra investigation got into full swing. But neo-conservitives just seem to adore the guy anyway, despite his monumental lies and total disregard for the U.S. Constitution.
North once had a job working for the National Security Council in the Reagan White House. As Assistant Deputy Director for Political-Military Affairs, he managed the day-to-day operations of a clandestine agency operating without any form of congressional oversight and completely outside the law. According to North’s sworn testimony, his primary effort was to coordinate covert sales of weapons to the government of Iran, and then funnel those profits to buy weapons for the Contra army in Nicaragua.
The only problem is, those actions were completely illegal. The Boland Amendment banned the U.S. Government from funding the Contras. Ollie claimed that he had only been following orders, but according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, it is a soldier’s duty to disobey illegal orders.
Why did North do this? He had the best possible reason: cash money. Ollie was buying his weapons through a business owned by a retired Air Force Major General named Richard Secord. In May of 1996, Secord stuffed $200,000 into a Swiss bank account earmarked for tuition fees for Ollie’s children. The previous year, Secord had personally handed over thousands of dollars in cash.
At trial, North had a hard time explaining how he had managed to save up the $15,000 cash investigators found hidden in his closet. Or why he made two separate cash payments for a $9,500 used car (oddly, just under the limit that would require IRS tracking), the second after visiting Secord. He claimed the $4,300 in traveler’s checks he had in his posession were reimbursement for expenses he had personally incurred “on the job” but could produce no receipts to substantiate.
Somehow the jury failed to convict him for any of these accounting irregularities. Of course, it would have been easier for prosecutors had Ollie refrained from shredding and burning the ledger for his slush fund in the hours before their raid. Instead, they convicted him of accepting an illegal gratuity from Secord, in the form of a $13,800 home security system — complete with an eight-foot tall fence to encircle the property. Oh, and they also found him guilty of two other felonies: lying to Congress and shredding official documents. But he only committed those crimes as part of a cover up.
Yeah…real “hero” you got there.
Alliance Girl,I wish you the best. I hope someday I can meet you and shake your hand. You’ve hung in there better than many Conservatives I’ve talked to.
Perhaps someday,when this nationalist movement finally dies,real Conservatives and Liberals can go back to being civil to one another.
All my fellow people who look at this will know who i am, i dont see a reson in posting my real name when it doesn’t, and shouldn’t matter to any of the many fools i see upon this page. I believe in freedom of speech, unlike many others here, so i wont get that pissed at the comments left. But, plain and simple, it’s a picture. And from the posts i read about bashing the government and such and bringing ties of us directly to the government…for shame. It’s your insolent minds thinking that the first thing you see wearing BDU’s or as some of you simpltons call “CAMO” , has direct ties with the government. Now, believe me, im the last person to come to talking about politics and gov. cause frankly i dont care. It’s the fact of the matter that your bashing us because you think we have direct ties with the government…well i guess that’s where judging really has become an issue amoung all of the people today now hasn’t it? Don’t tell me you aren’t bashing us, because i can plainly see that you are. I don’t care if you bash the government, but when you bring one of the best programs in the states, nay i think in the world onto the subject and start comparing and making fun of us like the government…well there is where it needs to stop. And for the record… it’s a picture, i picture of us pointing at one of the founders of our great program, nothing more nothing less. I think all you self-subjecting incriminating plebians should let this all go, it’s a freakin’ picture! Not photos of incriminating evidence of a breakin or somthing…just get over youselves and leave it at that!
Actually,for shame on yourself. Save your sanctimony.
From the Alliance Academy Website:
“Advisory Board”
Rep. Jo Ann Davis (VA)-Republican and chairwoman of the HIC
Rep. Thelma Drake (VA)-Republican
Rep. Walter Jones(jr.) (NC)-Republican
LtCol Oliver L. North, USMC (Ret.)-Reagan bootlicker…err,Republican
Gen Paul Valleley(Vallely), USA (Ret.)-He’s all over the friggin’ place. Republican.
Rep. Frank Wolf (VA)-Republican and member of the HAC
Rep. Curt Weldon (PA)-Republican and a member of the ASC
Let’s break that down. Seven Republicans(”7″ for the word illiterate). A chair of the House Intelligence Commitee(HIC),a House Appropriations Committee member(HAC),and a member of the Armed Services Committee(ASC). A notable retard(North). A Retired General who just happens to appear in an attempt to discredit and mischaracterise people(namely Joe Wilson). And a couple of Republican chicks.
What’s not to like,right? Diversity at it’s best!
Now how about the “Staff”?
Staff
Thomas P. Kilgannon-Conservative writer,writes columns for “Town Hall” and others
The other two “staff” persons I’m not too familiar with. But I don’t believe you’ve got a leg to stand on here Georgie.
And if you think my analysis is because of “Camo”,then you are deluding yourself sir. You won’t fool people who are willing to do research at least,so save it.
As far as it being a good program,I never said it wasn’t. However,the analogy to certain former organisations is valid in the simple. But perhaps,in your infinite insider wisdom,you could answer the questions I’ve put forth previously that others have passed on?
1) Do YOU think it’s proper for a political entity with ties to the party in power of government,to be creating a para-military organisation ala. Hitler’s Youths?
And please,let’s not wallow around the truth. Your own website displays the ties to this administration and the GOP.
2) Why would the photographer frame such a shot fully knowing the baggage such a pose carries?
3) Why are you considered “bipartisan”,when obviously you aren’t?
Those few will do nicely for now,if you are able. And they are valid questions,respectfully asked.
As to the “get over yourselves”,I’d suggest you do the same. You folks aren’t the only people who love this country and fear for it’s safety,no matter what Ollie and Sean might blow sweetly into your ear. Does it ever strike you as odd,that the broad generalisations that these “pundits” espouse,never seem to really fit the majority of liberals? Yet you act as if you fully expect all Democrats to be loony and unable to carry on a decent debate.
I hate to tell you friend,but Nannity is protecting you.
As far as who you are,who cares? You are correct,it doesn’t make one bit of difference. See,the thing is,you all put yer britches on the same way as any “liberal” does. That’s what’s lacking in the NeoConservative movement.
Reality.
Oooops!
I forgot the final question for $200!
4) In your opinion,if an organisation such as the Alliance Academy was formed by Democrats and contained several members of the majority controlled government who were Democrats….and though listed as a bipartisan organisation were in fact,partisan in makeup…..
How long do you think it would take before the GOP tried to shut it down or started some massive swift-boating smear campaign?
And before you drag up that albatross of “Kerry Supporter”,a little info. I did NOT vote for Kerry.
Just curious as to your answer.
“I believe in freedom of speech, unlike many others here.”
Sorry to remind you, but this whole thread began because there are those on your side of the arguement who clearly have qualms about freedom of speech, and you stupidly manifested your opposition to free speech by ejecting a Marine Corps Vet from a publicly advertised event where the stated objective was to HONOR veterans. You did it on the grounds that you did not agree with his political point of view. A point of view which he was lawfully and passively expressing.
What I find intersting is that although you left a diatribe of around 300 words, absolutely nothing in it in any way attempted to refute one single word said here about your organization. It was just a continuation of the neo-con “kill the messenger” tactic you people resort to every time you are faced with the unrefutable.
Face it. It was an unmitigated travesty to wrap the comments made by Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, et:al at your “freedom” CONcert in the American flag or support of the troops. Hannity threw all objectivity on that premise out the window the moment he made his first liberal-bashing comment, screamed “NANCY PULOSI IS THE BOOGEYMAN”, or yanked out that tired and overused “Ted [hic] Kennedy” bit over an amplified microphone.
I know exactly who you are, “Big Georger”, so I suggest you step down off your soapbox, put your arm back down and curl that pudgy little index finger back into your soft and sweaty palm. You people SHOULD be ashamed of yourselves, but we all know you have no conscience to speak of…Shame is something people like you will never admit…Maybe Yakki is right…maybe it is pathological…I don’t know, but the one thing I AM sure of is the fact that there are places in hell reserved for people like you and Hannity.
Come the morning of November 8th, you and those like you will reap what you have sewn. On that fine morning, I predict you will be sleeping like newborn babies…Sleep two hours, wake up and have a good long cry…..Sleep two hours, wake up and have a good long cry…..Sleep two hours, wake up and have a good long cry…..
98 days to your judgement day, son…and they clock is going tick, tick, tick…..
Please excuse my religious expression Jeff,but AMEN.
I had a buddy tell me that his slogan for the next round of elections was going to be:
“Anyone but a REPUBLICAN.”
His reason?
Becuase right now it’s too hard to weed out the PNAC loving NeoCons.
But seriously people. Tell me something, what do you think, out of all your bitching, is the actually solution to every problem that has arisen through our and your talking. And tell me something else, what do you think you’re seriously going to solve through bitching at this picture, because by now, no one cares what you say and what you do. All your proving is that you can complain about whatever you want, who cares, i don’t anymore. You weren’t even there, how could you possibly even know what we do without actually being there. I’ll tell you the answer, YOU CAN’T! I don’t care anymore what you say, to me you are just a bunch of people who have nothing more to do then to go on this website and complain all day, this picture just happened to give you an excuse to actually bring up another subject to complain about.
You don’t like it? Why are you here then? You type that you don’t care, but your actions tell a completely different story. If you really did not care about our opinions of you, then why did you exercise your free will and return here to read what we said about you and type a snoddy response in the first place?
Oops….my bad…I almost forgot that “I DON’T CARE” is a standard neocon mantra.
We get that answer all the time from stooges like you.
We ask questions like “What about accountability in out American leadership and trust in our congress to do their part in the democratic processes?…what do we hear from people like you? “I DON’T CARE!”
We ask, what about the three separate but equal branches of Government set forth by our founding fathers? …what do we hear from people like you? “I DON’T CARE!”
What about our president’s oath to support, uphold and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America?”…what do we hear from people like you? “I DON’T CARE!”
We ask “what about a strong educational system and health care for all children?” …what do we hear from people like you? “I DON’T CARE!”
We ask about the deficit and what your plan is to keep our children from inheriting a $30,000 per American debt bill due to Bush’s unrestrained spending and failed fiscal policies…what do we hear from people like you? “I DON’T CARE!”
We ask about providing our troops with the best possible body armor to protect them when they are under fire, and getting our troops out of the volitile quagmire that Bush has created in Iraq…what do we hear from people like you? “I DON’T CARE!”
Don’t worry…I actually do believe you, son…you do not care….I can tell that you do not care just by the fact that you continue to support Bush, and hold crooks like Ollie North and LIARS like Sean Hannity in such high regard.
You know what they say….you can tell a lot about a person by the company he keeps.
Actually Georgie,they are YOUR problems. I didn’t vote these bastards back in. Foo me once,shame on you…fool me twice….
But then some folks like to be fooled,or are fools,I dunno.
As far as “no one cares what you say”,I think you shot yourself in the foot. Remember the 2004 elections? I’d say about half the country(according to vote numbers) do care about what we say,and even what you say.
And what have you proven yourself so far Georgie? That you can’t answer the questions? Or that you’re so intellectually dishonest that you won’t answer the questions? And as far as we’ve proven we can “complain”,yer damn right. I believe that’s covered in the First Amendment,something your jackbooted NeoCon buddies doesn’t really give a crap about,unless it’s their words. I’d wager if you(or Buchco) could get away with shutting down dissenting opinions,you’d be fondling yourself over the “victory” before tea time. And you like Freedom of Speech? Puhleease.
And I don’t know what you did there. But then again,I’ve asked several questions about your organisation that you,and others of your tribe,either have no answer for or refuse to answer. Why? Afraid you’ll open your mouth and a bone will pop out? If it’s all so gosh darn freedom loving,why hide it?
No,all I’ve seen is wallowing and hand changing. One comes,I ask the question,they cut and run. As far as you last post about “not caring”,I’d say you are intending to do the same and this is your parting shot. Woopeee! Another NeoCon win! Mission Accomplished!
And yet you’ve said nothing. Well,that’s not so. You’ve pissed and moaned about how unfair we are to you. Well Georgie,I’d suggest you grow up a tad son. You’re reaping what you sow. Why don’t you check yer bible on that’un next time you feel like giving someone else a blast of your shit.
Goodbye Georgie. It was nice talking to you. Well,not nice really,more of a bore. COnsidering I’ve heard your martyred spiel more times than I care to admit. Just remember something for me will you?
Everytime you see the name “Yakki”,don’t get discouraged about talking to me. Use a meditation trick or something to settle yourself down and remember,it’s all mind over matter to me.
I don’t mind,cause you don’t matter.
*blowing smoke out of barrel*
And that’s that,sonny-George.
Oh…Another thing for you to not care about. If Ollie was doing this because he really cared about these kids, can you explain why the only interaction these children had with North was to be rounded up for a photo op wnd told to point at him? We have it from the comments of two of the children in the picture that Ollie was casper during their TWO WEEKS in the program. They never even saw or spoke to him, and the only two words he even uttered to them was “good job”. Now, why did Ollie wait until a camera showed up to even interract with the kids if he actually cared more than two shakes of piss about them? Why were the kids coached by the photographer on how to POSE for a pic with him?
My guess is that Ollie has as much interraction with “Olivers Army” as he does with his own children.
What a shame…If he really wanted to repair his tarnished reputation, he could do a lot more for these kids, and a lot less posing for pictures….But that’s Olllie…My guess as to the thought running through his mind as the picture was snapped?
“I hate these F&*@&ing underpriveledged weasels….Would you please hurry the F#@K up and take this picture so I can get back to skimming…I mean COUNTING donations?”
Naw Jeff.
He just don’t care.
Or at least he doesn’t care NOW. But years from now,if these authoritarian pricks get their way,he’ll certainly care. Ol’ Georgie won’t be able to fart crossways without his Fuhrer’s say so.
Then he’ll care.
Yakki…Here’s a quick list of the kind of things neo-cons actually DO care about:
THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE ACT - They believe that two Americans who currently enjoy equal protection with them under our Constitution and love each other enough that they are openly willing to commit before the state to a monogamous lifelong relationship should be legally prohibited from doing so. Why? Because they believe that allowing this act to occur between two people that they do not even know will somehow cause their own committed monogomous lifelong relationships to collapse. They would rather listen to experts on committed monogamous lifelong relationships like Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh. What makes them experts? The fact that they each have committed themselves to no less than three committed monogamous lifelong relationships so far.
THE PROTECTION OF THE FLAG ACT - Descecration of a flag as a form of free speech to publicly protest the actions of a president who wipes his ass with the bill of rights is bad….but Kid Rock wearing one like a poncho on stage at the RNC convention is BITCHIN! Flag Burning is just so rampant (Heck, it’s happened FOUR TIMES in the last decade alone!) that it requires the immediate and undevided attention of both houses of congress and the ammendment of the Constitution.
INTELLEGENT DESIGN IS SCIENCE, AND EVOLUTION IS ONLY A THOERY - Man walked with the dinosaurs when God created the world six thousand years ago. This comes from people who watch the Flinstones and think they are watching a documentary….I would not be suprised if some of them actually believe that if you bust open a camera, you will find a little bird with a stone tablet and a chisel. And they are backed by The Prez…our own little “Intellegent Design Flaw”.
STEM CELLS ARE LIVING HUMAN BEINGS WITH A SOUL AND SHOULD BE AFFORDED PROTECTION FROM MURDER - They would rather watch someone who actually does live and breathe painfully suffer from cancer, alzheimers or paralisys to shore up their stance against any form of abortion so much so that they believe that life exists as a glob of less than 100 undifferentiated cells that has never seen - and will never see - the inside of a womb. They believe a dumpster is a better alternitive for these masses of cells than scientific research into curing the diseases mankind. These are the kind of people who cannot give a direct answer to the question “If you were confronted with the choice of saving a petri dish containing 5 blasticysts or a human baby, which one would you save?” actually stop to debate the merits.
Then again, this is a congress who has held our poorest working Americans hostage at $5.25 an hour for the last decade, while voting themselves a cumulative total of over $30.00 an hour in pay raises. This is the congress that bought the business of the nation to a screeching halt to save a brain-dead breathing corpse in Florida…an act that prompted Bush to abandon vacation and frantically jetting back from Crawford to Washington in the middle of the night to assure her safety. If only they could have had similar compassion for the people of New Orleans…oh…I forgot…the majority of those people were black. These are the same republicans who foist J. C. Watts on the stage as their attempt at racial inclusion. One black man on a stage….Hell, the last time republicans had more than one black man on a stage, they were most likely bidding on him.
That is why Americans must retake both houses of Congress for America in 96 days.
Jeff,that about sums it up IMO.
Well,all those and the “do anything to win” mentality. They have absolutely no honor about them. NOt in politics,and certainly not in war.
I really would like to ask Bushco what he’s going to do now that his word(and those of his administration) isn’t worth a shit. In life all a man has that’s pure is his word IMO. If you can’t keep it,then you’re worthless.
The worst thing though,is that they’ve made the US citizenry’s word look like gopher piss. Therefore they deserve nothing but my scorn for betraying our morals as a nation and breaking compacts and conventions that we’ve signed in good faith.
Looks to me like they’re holding out their coke nails for a bump…