My self-esteem is plummeting
Published by Mike Stark February 2nd, 2007 in UncategorizedSomebody once said you can judge the value of a man by the quality of his enemies. I’m depressed.
The lovely and beautiful Catherine Moy has written a fair and balanced, even complementary piece about yours truly over at Melanie Gorgon’s place.
I think she wants me.
You know, after writing a whole book about Cindy Sheehan, I do feel a little short-changed. Aren’t I worth a little more than a simple web-column? That’s no way to get me out of my pants, dearie…
And crikey, Catherine, couldn’t you concoct a better contrived and cunning conculcatation? Try again - and hurry!! Don’t be a cunctator.
Anyway, sorry to disappoint you, but I’m happily married to a wonderful woman that doesn’t feel the need to pick on women that lose their children in war. I can’t imagine what it must be like to live within the circle of your gutter life. I know I’d suffer instant impotence and launch into a suicidal regime of self-mortification.
Oops,gosh-darn it all, I almost forgot! Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker and Tits.
I think that’s all of them…
“Well, I’ve done lots of research and it should make Howard Kurtz blush that he ever gave this guy airtime….For the record, my research comes from public records that are easily accessed by anybody who cares.”
Funny, sounds like blogicalthought. I got that “public records” routine when someone posted all personal information they could dig up on me (including that of my wife and my mother) in an attempt to shut me up on another forum where I used my legal name.
Mike,
I don’t know how you would rank her as far as being a “quality enemy”? But, I digress…I want to thank you for inspiring me to call in to a wingnut Christian (read political) radio talk show. After speaking with the screener a bit, he and the host must have discovered that I knew what the hell I was talking about and had the facts to back it up, the screener took me off hold and told me the host wanted to move on to other subjects.
I like to think that I shook them up a little.
Keep up the good work, Mike! I’ll try to as well.
Bryan
Mike,
First time poster, longtime fan. great work you are doing.
Some of the links she has posted are quite defamatory.
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=5615452
My congratuations to you as you have struck fear into them.
Though a poorly written column her message was clear.
Mike Stark cannot be taken lightly.
Jharp: thanks - I was pretty amused by that link as well…
Where is that guy, anyway?
Umm her reasons for picking Mike as her first subject sound phoney. She is so far up Melonie’s butt she can’t breathe. And I’m with FGFM she does sound like blogical thought.
My God, what is it that causes these slightly youth-challenged conservative spinsters to be so astoundingly bitter?
Ms. Moy, You can have your misguided and hackneyed attacks on Liberals Progressives and Democratic voters, but you should know that your words don’t mean shit.
You and the Gorgon represent all that is ignorant, mean, greedy and, and fearful in our country, and the older you get, the nearer our day of peace is.
Do you smoke? Could you start? Thanks.
No Quarter to neocon fascists!
-Blue Patriot.
Maybe I’m not quite as good at google searches as some, but after about an hour of looking thru a bunch of sites found under “Catherine Moy Awards”, the only actual award I could find amoungst all the sites touting her as an award winning journalist (without ever citing just what those “awards” might be), was this one from her Society of Prof Jouranlists “club”.
Catherine Moy, 1998 public service
These wingnut talking heads sure like to make much ado about nothing, don’t they? That’s it? One “award” eight years ago?
There is a difference between ego and self esteem. Ego is talking about it and self esteem is doing something.
Mike is all talk, mostly putting out propoganda with personal attacks and misrepresented information. Self esteem is taking action and receiving positive, long termed enduring goals.
It appears his ego has been “shattered” by Ms. Moy who was right on in her assessment of Mr. Stark. Kudos to her for calling it as it is…not as he wishes others to perceive.
In closing, it was fascinating to see how he reinforced her points with his sexist comments that refer to women. One has to wonder WHY anyone like Nancy Pelosi, who claims to advocate equal status between men and women would even take the time to speak with him, or any other political leader, for that matter. Mr. Stark claims to be representing the Democrat idealogue–certainly that doesn’t include sexism, sexual degradation of women and the trashing other Americans, or does it?
blogical - perhaps you could explain where precisely is the terrible sexism to which you refer? I seem to have missed it (not the shill Moy is deserving of any great deference in the first place…).
Poor Miss Moy…reading her seething bile-laden hurt-humping, all I can say is if the pudgy little queen would learn to shut her mouth and make better bisquits, she just might keep a man.
You can tell alot by her writing style….I predict her future will contain countless lonely friday nights crying herself to sleep by 9, wolfing down Hagen-Daz by the bucket, wringing pudgy little fistfulls of tear and snot-stained kleenex while writing bad poetry about the twelve cats who keep her company (she’ll later publish them on some third-rate vanity press under the title “an Ode to Mister Snookums”).
As for Miss Morgan, I’ve done a little “research” of my own….you know what they say aboutpeople who live in glass houses….apparently, poor Melanie is secretly something akin to Bill Bennett sans testicles….seems she was so addicted to gambling at one time that Child Protective Services was forced to intervene for child endangerment shortly after the birth of her son.
That’s the problem with the right, isn’t it….when it comes to all their sanctimonious pronouncements about “moral” behavior, what they reall mean is YOUR behavior, not their own.
Ain’t that right, Blogical.
“The moral of this story is that middle America and conservatives cannot ignore Stark, Spocko, and others who seek fame and power by undermining legitimate conservative voices. Stark and his ilk have the money and backing of more credible folks who will use them to do the dirty work of leftist Democrats. That is the danger of Mike Stark’s Blogos-Fear.”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Fess up, Stark, you’re only in it for the “fame and power “. I knew it all along!
“As a professional journalist for almost 20 years, Stark’s appearance sickened me. This guy’s ethics couldn’t get him a gig writing press releases for Osama bin Laden and here he was on a national show allegedly about legitimate journalism. Either the host had a slow news day, or my profession has slipped into a cesspool of anemic credibility from which it may never recover.”
You nailed it, Cat. The difference between a cesspool and a swimming pool? You never, ever, swim in a cesspool. Professional journalist? Yeah, ok. I’ll bite. When did you ever go over to “report” on what the MSM isn’t telling us about Iraq? Where’s the “good” news, Cat?
You make your bed, you lie in it. You fuck*ng hack.
So, do I have thees correct?
El blobbico sniffs around through technorati and blogger, and looks for hees name.
When he finds eet he pounces like John Gibson on a teenage girl at Christmas dinner.
Ho-kay, of what does thees remind me…?
Hmmmm…(theenk, theenk, theenk…)
Oh my god, I just read that piece of trash, there’s 5 minutes I’ll never get back. Seriously though how weak is your argument when you have to link to an Allen press release as a source.
What is a LIBERAL?
You know, as a card-carrying progressive liberal, let me describe my average day….
When I wake up in the morning (after ten, of course, since I do not have a job), I check my fax machine and get my marching orders from Nancy Pelosi.
I live in the northeast, and it is a little chilly in the morning, so I stumble out of my earthship, (located on the east side of my commune so as to be closest to mecca as a courtesy to all the terrorists that I provide aid-and-comfort to), and stoke up the fireplace with a few bibles, light it off with an American flag, and sit down with a copy of the yellow pages and a sharpie so I can highlight all the abortion clinics that I will refer my crack whores to when I knock them up.
Then George Soros and Howard Dean stop by to drop off a check for a million dollars.
We plot for a while about how we can muzzle free speech, but only for conservitives. Then George usually says he has to leave…like the other day, he said he had a full schedule….at noon, we was going to attend a gay wedding, then he only had about three hours to fly in his private jet with Jane Fonda over the heartland mocking the true Americans before landing in Boston with just enough time to sober Ted Kennedy up so he could draft a bill to outlaw christianity in America and confiscate all firearms…except from the criminals.
I was cool with him leaving, after all, by then, it was time for me to go to the free clinic to get my methadone and government cheese. I loaded my I-pod with a few podcasts of Air America and an audiobook of “Revolution at the Gates: Selected Writings of V. I. Lenin” (narrated by Alec Baldwin), and set out for the day. While I was hitch-hiking there, I ran into a soldier and I spit on him because he reminded me how much I hate America and wish we would lose the war on terrorism.
I got back home just in time for dinner with Al Sharpton, where we plotted ways to keep minorities reliant on entitlement programs and government subsidies so they would remain beholding to the Democratic party. I like Al…he keeps it real…not like that “halfrican” Obama.
(Of course, this little dose of “reality” has been bought to you courtesy of the twisted psychies of Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Malanie Morgan and the Republican Reich)
I think they’re simply freaking out because someone is saying ‘The Prom Queen has no crown!’, to mangle an analogy. Hell, Melanie can’t stop talking about the ‘massive attack by radical liberals and George Soros and Media Matters and Moon Men from the Moon!!!’ on her personal site.
And, of course, ol’ blogicalthought can’t resist stopping by any site that dares to shine some light on KSFO/Move America Forward/Morgan, et al, and trying to convince everyone that Nancy Pelosi is sending us fistfuls of cash and Scooby Snacks via Fed Ex. Lame? Profoundly…
The fact that KSFO is even acknowledging this ordeal, along with bt’s impotent arguments and insinuations, is proof positive that they’re panicking. Of course, you’d be hard pressed to find a less mature or professional bunch of media hacks than the KSFO crew - not to dismiss their kissin’ cousins like Hannity, Beck, etc. Big mouths and tender egos - it’s like 5,000 watts of Jr. High angst and drama. If I didn’t know better, I’d swear it was just another ‘Reality TV’ show or professional wrestling set up - it seems so real it just has to be scripted.
Man, I wish Soros was giving out checks I got 27k of student loans left to payoff.
Rheinhard,
Perhaps Mike, as a “first year law student,” can explain the term defining sexism, stereobased sexual comments, gender stereotyping, the components and the basis of hostility toward those of different genders, races, religions and sexual preferences and the underlying component behind domestic violence, sexual abuse, verbal abuse and violence toward women as well as what constitutes sexual harassment.
He may wish to delineate the emphasis of the pattern of behavior and the personality types that are involved in behavior such as this, according to DSMIII.
After he responds with his understanding of what it is (which is covered in pre law courses, as well as initial law school courses) I would be more than happy to debate the issue, especially as a grandmother, a mother of both male and female children and a woman who has held nontraditional employment positions over the past 32 years including military and public service, not to mention as an advocate of free speech and equal rights for all.
moy has a degree in journalism?
couldnt tell by the hit piece, especially when she mistates the first amendment.
attention ms. moy, a private citizen cannot take away another’s first amendment rights, only the government can do that.
and great research on the part of ms moy….my 8 year old nephew knows how to use google too, will someone please nominate him for a pulitzer?
and attention all you political junkies….let it be known from this day forth, if you attend more than one of a specific pols events, and ask anything but a complimentary question, you are a stalker….this from the typewritter of a 20 year journalist.
and i wonder if ms moy will be nominated for another pulitzer for this great piece of investigative journalism
http://www.thereporter.com/search/ci_5101388
i suggest you all read it, especially you blogical. for ms moy takes the couragious stand of attacking an alledged victim of a violent crime
Mike, what has happened to the post of about twenty minutes ago regarding the “Halfrican comment by Jeff” and the difficulty of those of us who are multiracial not being allowed to express ourselves and our cultural background in terms of cultural pride?
I noted you were online to respond to my post a few minutes ago…is there a reason it is being held back?
blogical,
the dsmIII is no longer used….it is now the dsmIV and im not sure why a first year law student would have knowledge of that text.
and is there a point of you repeatedly bringing up your familial status as a grandmother, or are you trying to scare us with the knowledge that you have progeny walking around somewhere on this earth?
if you feel his remarks towards one tammy bruce are indeed sexist, i suggest you look into ms bruce’s vitae. think bruce would have a job on radio today were she still what she used to be? an outspoken liberal lesbian feminist? bruce gotta eat, so she sold herself off as a born again conservative, knowing full well that putting herself out as a self hating dyke would be a great selling point to redstate america…if that aint whoring yourself, i dont know what is.
now why dont you ever answer the questions posed to you?
Bacci40,
It should be noted one of the biggest jobs of any attorney is to “mitigate” events which have previously occurred in order to represent them appropriately in an action they may sustain, as well as prosecute effectively and bring about causes of action, in an effective manner. Patterns of behavior are all considered as part of evidence…and disorders and personality disorders are a big part of mitigation and prosecution to enhance that evidence, especially in matters that deal with violence against specific groups of individuals…hate crimes, domestic violence, sexual assault, etc.
I believe that stating a bit of my past is important to realize from where I am coming from, with my ideas and idealogy, thus why I state my very important role as a mother and a grandmother, as well as a woman who has worked in a nontraditional line of work for many years.
By the way, your comment is very hostile toward gays by referring to Tammy Bruce as a “self hating dyke” and again using a term “whoring” which is hostile and specific to a gender.
But then again, I’ve addressed the pattern of the Progressive Democrats that indicates the good old boyz of the Progressive Democrat Party and at Media Matters have a tendency to be hostile toward women by using such specific terms.
i hate gays, cuz i call bruce a self hating dyke? thats a good one
is the group, dykes on bikes also hostile to the gay community?
and when one gives up their core convictions for the almighty dollar, is that not whoring oneself?
and did you read the article by ms moy, wherein she attacks an alledged victim of domestic violence?
i forgot to note that ms moy left out an important piece of information in her attempts to support an abuser….she neglected to note that the accuser got medical attention, and it was the doctors who contacted police….not the accuser. now thats fine jouralism for you.
btw, what is a “nontraditional” line of work….are you a whore too? is that why you take such umbrage at that term? i am somewhat attracted to older, narow minded sluts, and i have a quarter burning a whole in my pocket….wanna hook up?
ya mean like bitch
You missed Bacci’s point he said she was trying to sell herself as a self-hating dyke, not that she is a self hating dyke. Whoring!? Why does that have to be gender specific. btw, I’ve called more guys bitch than I have any women. Many, many, more.
thanks oreally.
i even misread my own post….i never called her a self hating dyke (although at times i think she is)
dang, even i mess up when my words get twisted
btw…i love all women, and fully believe that the world would be a better place if it was run by the female of our species…that is as long as blogical or her kind didnt get a say in anything
as an aside, here in los angeles, we have a wingnut talker who is also an out gay male. frequently he has on guests that push the fear of the “gay agenda” and he sits there and either says nothing, or fully agrees with them….he too is a whore
Let me get this straight…Blogical is a multi-cultural grandmother who was in the military and has experience in law as well as a degree in psychology, but doesn’t have a friggin clue that the DSM-III is no longer in use.
What are you going to try to get us all to believe next, Blogical…that you were an Astronaut, commanded the submarine that discovered the Titanic, and in your spare time, you invented the Chia-Pet too?
You crack me up, you nut…you really do.
By the way, Blogical…”Halfrican” is not my invention….It is a descriptive term that both Miss Morgan and Rushbo have employed to demean Barak Obama….I was using it in this context to parody their assinine remarks, and to show my personal disdain for their blatent racism, you freakin’ idiot.
Interesting Jeff…
The term “Halfrican” was developed approximately eight to ten years ago by the multiracial community as a way to define themselves and their cultural heritage. It has been used as a comment of pride in the heritage by those who are multiracial.
The first time it was used publicly on the MSM was on PBS, when they had a diary of a young man who was multiracial and how he described himself, with pride, as a “Halfrican.” If you go to google and search “halfrican” you will find websites that sell t-shirts bumper stickers and you find many multiracial individuals calling themselves “Halfricans.”
What the good ole white boyz who claim to be Progressive Democrats are doing, because of their ignorance of cultural issues is trying to cast shame upon those who are multiracial and its offensive, at best.
Afterall, who are YOU to tell individuals who are multiracial, what they should call themselves? Huh? What suggestions do you have for my grandchildren to call themselves, since YOU find one of the appropriates terms to be offensive.
Is the term Eurasian offensive? How about AsianAmerican? How about Mestizo? How about half Native American?
Or would you prefer those who are multiracial be called quadroons, octraroons and mulattoes? Just what phrase is it that you good old boyz, who refer to women as whores and other names feel is appropriate for those of multiracial background, since you don’t like what we prefer to call ourselves.
Sorry you don’t like my personal or professional background……or my race or what we call ourselves with our multiracial heritage…..but then I suspect you would have a problem with hearing anything from a woman or from someone who is not totally white.
I guess that is the way of the Progressive Democrat Boyz, today, huh?
Glossary of Terms for Multiraciality - Wikipedia
You will find Halfrican in there and not as a racial slur.
You will also find:
Afrasian
Goffal
Amerasian
Hasian
Hapa
Indo
Mestiso
Anglo Indian
AngloAsian
Aflatasi
Castizo
Morisco
Melungeon
Charmiso
Cholo
Eurasian
Sorry to have to give the good ole’ boys of the Progressive Democrats a lesson in cultural diversity, however it appears you boyz don’t have much background in dealing with those of other cultures (mostly being good ole Blue Blooded East Coast boyz.) In California, which is a melting pot for individuals of all races, there are many of us with multiracial backgrounds and you hear the squeals of discrimination that you hear form those who try to use it for political purposes. We live together, work together, and EVEN INTERMARRY (with sarcasm)
The 2000 census was the very first in which persons of multi racial background were able to describe themselves as such and those persons with more than two races in their background previously really had difficult stating what they were on the little “check boxes” required by government agencies, lenders, qualifying for scholarships, etc.
The argument that was made on the radio show, by a father of children who were multi-racial (such as Mike’s child is) was that the individual’s father was from Africa and was not a descendant of a slave. In that respect, it was used as a geographical term, not one to describe one’s cultural ancestry, though it does qualify as a good description and an acceptable one for the ancestry if half black by most persons of mixed ancestry. There was no racial slur attached to it, WHATSOEVER and the hoopla over it was offensive, at best.
In our case, our ancestry includes black, white, Native American, European and Melungeon (another word for mixed ancestry) ancestry. Get with it and get with the terms that are acceptable by us. To tag it as a racial slur is offensive, at best and alludes that being of mixed ancestry is something that is shameful….you and the boyz at Media Matters owe a big percent of the nation a big apology for the offensive way you tried to twist a term that is defined with pride of culture. My grandchildren call themselves Halfricans….sorry you have a problem with that. However, I anticipate with your narrow thought of mind, you’d have a problem with almost anything said, especially with your sexist comments about women, as well.
So much for the Progressive Democrat party because if you are a reflection of it, it is an insult to the majority of Americans throughout the west, who make up a large part of the “minority population” and who are a majority in California today.
Sorry, Blidiot…but I must inform you that you are wrong once again (no suprise there).
Two cents worth of free knowledge for soneone who is an OBVIOUS neophite to using the “internets”…when it comes to citing reputible fonts of knowlege, intellegent people laugh like fucking howler monkeys whenever a goober like you tries to present ANYTHING posted on Wikipedia to shore up feeble arguements. Wikipedia is a dictionary of opinion, dearie. Nothing more, nothing less.
If you go to Google and search “Niggaz”, you will also find websites that sell t-shirts bumper stickers…Buying it on a mug makes that term no less offensive either.
Also, it appears that you have yet to learn that the “internets” is not the be-all and end-all for research either. However, if you ARE solely reliant on the “internets” to conduct your research, I suggest you try RSDB dot org…RSDB stands for the “Racial Slur Database”. Under the “H” section, you will find the term “Halfrican”.
Finally, every arguement you attempted to present about how mixed-race people have a right to decide how they refer to themselves is moot unless you can present one instance where Obama has utilized the term as a personal descriptive.
Let me clue you in…he hasn’t.
The term “halfrican”, used in the context that it was employed by Morgan and Limbaugh, was clearly intended to be a pejorative slur. A thinking impartial person could come to no other honest conclusion.
In your heart of hearts, you might believe that it is somehow noble of you to desparately attempt to find a way to excuse the use of the term by rabid right-wingers, but I’m here to smack you back to reality by informing you that there just ain’t no way to put lipstick on that pig.
What’s next…you gonna try to claim that the pejorative term “Macaca” is somehow mainstream too?
“a woman who has held nontraditional employment positions over the past 32 years including military and public service, not to mention as an advocate of free speech and equal rights for all.”
Are you a Notary Public? Two cheers for Wikipedia, BTW.
By the way, Blidiot…
Just in case you thought I was giving you a free pass…you still have some questions to answer that you’ve been conveniently ducking for the last ten days or so.
For the record, you do not get to poke your pointy head back in here throwing false accusations until you answer these simple direct questions honestly:
1) Why is Melanie Morgan so obsessed with keeping her ties to a gentleman named Sal Russo, a self-described “veteran Republican consultant” concealed?
2) Why was the listed address for Morgan’s organization “Move America Forward” a supposedly “non partisan” 501c3 political action committee, initially listed as the same address as Sal Russo’s Republican Public Relations and Advertising Firm; Russo Marsh and Rodgers?
3) Can you tell me why Melanie Morgan has an e-mail address with Sal Russo’s Republican Public Relations and Advertising Firm Russo Marsh and Rodgers? Is she some kind of an employee of that organization?
4) When a Sacramento Newspaper uncovered the connection between Miss Morgan’s Move America Forward organization and the Republican Public Relations and Advertising firm of Russo Marsh and Rodgers, why did Move America Forward immediately change their contact information to the address of a seedy Sacremento bar called “The Downtown Purgatory”?
5) When that was also uncovered, why did MAF decide to remove ALL contact information from their ISP database?
6) Can you tell us who Howard Kaloogian is? What is Melanie Morgan’s connention to Howard Kaloogian? Has he ever provided funding for any of Miss Morgan’s political activities?
7) Why does Melanie Morgan conceal the fact that after her son was born in 1990, addiction to gambling led her to an intervention by Child Protective Services for reported child neglect?
9) If Miss Morgan is such an advocate of free speech, why was she a principal in the campaign to have the movie Ferinheit 911 banned from theatres?
10) Does “Officer Vic” have an arrest record?…can you tell all of us what any arrest record he has states?
Now Lets see if YOU have the integrity to answer these.
While you are at it, rather than using the pseudonym “Blogical” to hide, why don’t you act like an adult and come right out and divulge to all of us who you really are and what connections you might have to Morgan, KSFO, Russo Marsh and Rodgers or Move America Forward?
Now, answer the fucking questions.
fyi
blogical, mike knows your ip and canvery easily find out who you really are, and who you are working with
so answer the questions before we expose you
Bacci40,
You stated, “blogical, mike knows your ip and canvery easily find out who you really are, and who you are working with
so answer the questions before we expose you.”
Can you expound on that a bit more?
Thanks
Bacci40, another question. Since you claim to be a Comedian, as well as a Progressive Democrat, does that contribute to any bias you may have in the Michael Richards matter where the Comedian referred to black men as a “n***er” on several occasions:
” Added November 23, 2006
From bacci40
This is absurd on its face…get your mo This is absurd on its face…get your money back…go on the interview circuit, but a lawsuit or a threat of a lawsuit…for what???
Please note that nbc edits out the patron’s remarks towards Richards, and you only see him responding after being called a “cracker”.
Don’t get me wrong, how Mr. Richards handled the entire affair was wrong and bordered on insanity, but can monetary damages really be awarded in this situation?
Our society is way too litigious.
And Ms. Allred is a glorified ambulance chaser…first she goes after Borat, now this???
Update: Richards caved and will be meeting with Allred and four of the patrons in front of a retired judge in the near future.
Total joke. … (more) (less)”
So, Richards pointing at people in public and screaming at black men, “Shut up. Fifty years ago, we’d have you upside down with a fork up your a**. Throw his a** out.” Pointing to the men, “He’s a n***er. He’s a n***er. He’s a n***er.” is no big deal, however multiracial individuals who choose to use the term Halfrican to define themselves as being half black and half white is offensive AND a big deal?
**For those individuals reading and who are not aware of the situation which occurred, Michael Richards is a Comedian who was performing in Los Angeles. A group of twenty diversified individuals, celebrating the 26th birthday of one, entered the show late. Richards allegedly stated, “Here come the blacks and the Mexicans” or something to that manner. The group ordered drinks and was loud. One of the persons told Richards he was “not funny” at which point Richards broke into a tirade, repeatedly calling them the “n” word in public as the group left.
Bocci40 has stated in previous posts on the internet that he is a former San Francisco Comedian. Bocci40 feels this action of calling individuals the “n” word is no big deal but multiracial individuals should not refer to themselves or others as “hafricans.”
Y’all are so full of crap! Can’t even come close to a septic tank. Your wingnuts and lugnuts are way the heck too loose!
Answer the fucking questions, Blogical.
Bacci….until this nitwit comes clen and answers the friggin questions, don’t even give him the pleasure of a response.
Just a little Roll Call to update everyone…
To date, the following corporations have sent letters officially stating that they have pulled their advertising from KSFO due to the comments made by Miss Morgan and Lee Rodgers:
MasterCard
Visa
FedEx
Bank of America
Aetna Insurance
Borders Books and Music
California State AAA
In-n-Out Burger
Michigan Economic Development Corporation
Once made aware of the rampant and inexcusible nastiness represented by the comments spewed on-air by Rodgers and Morgan, These businesses made the conscious decision to remover their advertising dollars from KSFO.
It is important to remember that this change was achieved entirely through positive contact and encouraged awareness….no threats of boycott were ever made, nor should they ever be necessary in a free-speech society.
Once provided with recordings of Morgan’s broadcasts, these advertisers simply felt that KSFO, Morgan and Rodgers were sending the wrong message for their products to be associated with, and immediately withdrew their advertising funding.
These advertisers are upholding the moral and ethical standards that America was built on, and should be applauded.
They all deserve our business in the future.
Spocko and Mike Stark deserve the credit for bringing this to their attention.
hey jeff,
this is not a response to blogical, but it seems that he/she discovered my youtube account
and so much for great research
i have never claimed to be a former standup, although i did spend alot of years going to the clubs in sf and became friends with many on the circuit (at the time, going to comedy clubs was cheaper than going to the movies)
and talk about comparing apples to oranges
trust me, when kramer gets a radio show and says the word nigger repeatedly, i hope no one sponsors the show
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it odd that, in every thread, Blogical shoots off at the mouth until confronted with the same ten questions, and then conveniently dissapears?
Please post the info from Blogical’s ISP, and let’s do a little digging.
It has peaked my interest.
It sounds like a paid political Op-Researcher.
It also sounds full of shit.
I’d like to know more, so that we can avoid it’s immediate vacinity.
And so we can call it a liar, if warranted.
-BP
OK, I’ll get the ball rolling.
From Monkeyfister-
“BlogicalThought’s IP Address is: IP: 24.4.123.211″
He goes on to say it’s a comcast account.
I don’t know where to take this, but anyone? anyone?
-BP
Blidiot resides somewhere near Travis AFB, in Hercules, Ca.
“Jeff” said: “Is it just me, or does anyone else find it odd that, in every thread, Blogical shoots off at the mouth until confronted with the same ten questions, and then conveniently dissapears?”
No, its just you, “Jeff.” I find those particular comments petty and “boring” (Yawn…….) distracting and off topic to my research which is well apart from that particular issue and those individuals. Its pretty much an overplayed, insignificant “dated incident” in its details (one of many) and in respect to my particular focus, though does serve as a very small, minute example of the scope in which I am interested.
However, it was due to its existence which I discovered on the internet, which initially led me to this site and peaked my interest in conducting research into the “big picture” of which the situation is merely a small part of.
Further, I admit I did use that particular incident to invoke comment and response for a particular segment of my research and wish to state it was successful in obtaining responses to compare with other posts by the subjects which helped validate some of the theories I have formulated.
There are much larger glaring issues in respect to the internet in which I am focusing, particularly organized propoganda campaigns and dissemination of misinformation which is common to this site and many others upon the internet. Its the “big picture” in which I am interested, coupled with the personalities driving behind it and their role in internet activity, their comments in respect to overall social and political issues and the validity of the information they put upon many sites on the internet. Again, this is in relationship to the associations they hold with individuals in key political positions and top organizations, including those individuals who are financing and encouraging the blogging campaigns that deal in misinformation and offensive matter.
Afterall, if one is researching the Mafia, one doesn’t simply focus on the “little foot soldiers,” the overall goal is to get to the “Godfather” and determine the overall infrastructure. Nor does one focus merely on the “bookmaking” capitalization of the business, but the overall capitalization, the money laundering and the organizational structure. So your petty comments in such a small isolated situation are not significant nor interesting to me.
The comments of misinformation are interesting to me. The comments expressing attitudes toward women and those of color and different race and sex affiliations in today’s society are interesting to me, especially in relationship to the political affiliations of the commentors. The comments which are stereo sex based are interesting to me especially in consideration of the political affiliations of the posters. The comments about social issues are interesting to me. The times and the dates of the postings of the commentors are interesting to me. The organizational structure of the posters is interesting to me. The comments on other sites posted by the commentors are interesting to me. The financing structure is interesting to me. The activist roles of those involved are interesting to me and their overall goal is interesting to me. The backgrounds of the posters are interesting to me. The wild speculation on this site is interesting to me. The overall gender of the posters and their opinions are interesting to me. The “interpretation of comments and statements” and how that interpretation is validified is interesting to me. Comments on other sites about the motive of the internet campaigns are fascinating to me in respect to motive. The evolution of society in respect to the freedoms granted a free society and how they are utilized is interesting to me– especially during a time of war and crisis in this country.
Finally, the comments intended to intimidate, threaten and harass those with dissenting opinion perk my interest, especially when in focus with issues of free speech.
These are particularly interesting when compared to posts on other internet sites where the same posters are posting under these same screen names and others. It is fascinating when one sorts the spread sheets.
These are the factors that are interesting to this old, retired, bored Grandma and have little or nothing to do with what you’ve cited except its existence of simply one of many of another organized internet campaign.
I do have to admit Mr. Stark’s “colorful blackground,” coupled with his voluminous internet postings do bring about considerable flavor to a story and would provide a wonderful sociological study of the attitudes and actions of a male involved within political activism of a particular political party if one chose to take on that aspect of the research. However, that, as well, at this point, is only part of the “big picture.” and not my total focus.
Maybe one day, in the next several years, if I tire from my hobby of writing screen plays and could find time from my other activities, I can use this research I can conducting on my own, coupled with interviews of others involved, to write my first book–one about the internet and the effects upon individuals with its propoganda campaigns…who knows? :)))
Maybe as you pursue your hobby of writing “screen plays” you could learn to call them by their proper name “screenplays”…whaddya think?
And you clearly know alot about propoganda campaigns.
Get one thing straight, Blidiot…It is clear that you are painfully in love with the sound and fury of your own voice, however, it is clear to everyone but you that your voice is but an illogical whimper of disjointed ramblings. no more interesting than a popcorn fart that quickly fades into the ether.
Here’s another tidbit of free advice, you child….So far, it is nothing that you have said…it is what you have failed to say…that speaks fucking volumes about your character and your nature as well as who you are and what your true mission is.
Now, if you ever hope to interract here, I suggest you quit stalling and answer the fucking questions.
blogicalthought - if you are commenting here for your own research purposes, wouldnt it be polite and more productive to approach mr stark as a researcher?
Someone who turns a comment thread to your own purposes isnt really the done thing
ps: one african american calling another african american a n***er is considered no big deal by most (due to some percieved word ownership thing i guess). But how does society view a white guy calling an african american a n***er? (do i have to use **?)
well that answers the halfrican issue then doesnt it?
I love propoganda too! I hope, I really really do, that it’s just a little like propaganda but I’m not getting my hopes up!
Btw, TheSpartan, excellent post but you misspelled…oh, wait! Never mind.
“These are particularly interesting when compared to posts on other internet sites where the same posters are posting under these same screen names and others. It is fascinating when one sorts the spread sheets.”
I would recommend that people not volunteer any information to this creepy stalker/troll.
Well, I wonder what our multiracial grandmotherly Diogenes will have to say about the latest at blogintegrity…
Oh, that’s right.
Nothing.
Because we should be more interested in “the evolution of society in respect to the freedoms granted a free society and how they are utilized … especially during a time of war and crisis in this country..” gobble gobble gobble w00t!
Oreally/FMGM/Rheinhard,
The Blidiot seems to be operating under the foolish misconception that I do not already know exactly who she is…Get one thing straight….she’s no “screen writer”…I’d say “ghostwriter” would be a touch more accurate.
I still do not expect her to come clean and disclose her ties to Miss Morgan…that would take ethics…From what I’ve discovered, she has none.
It’s fun watching you hang on desperately to any kind of celebrity. Pumping up a blogger writing about you is sad. You need to get out there with your camera and let another elderly man kick your ass.
It’s fun watching you hang on desperately to any kind of celebrity. Pumping up a blogger writing about you is sad. You need to get out there with your camera and let another elderly man kick your rear end.
Isn’t repeating yourself a sign of mental illness?
Jeff, give us some clues man.
You want a clue, here’s a clue.
If you think you know who it is, then the real work begins….the easiest way to figure out if you are right is to locate a text sample from the anonymous source (in this case, take any long-winded post here by the Blidiot) and a text sample from the person you think it is. Then perform a comparative analysis of the two. There are several automated engines on the web to help you do this.
Pay attention to how each of the two samples scores for “Complexity Factor (Lexical Density)”, Readability score on the Gunning-Fog Index, and the Readability (Alternative) Beta….Blidiot scored within 2% on each of these factors with writings from under her published name.
Next, look at the IP Address of Blidiot’s internet service provider (ISP), and compare it to the known address of the published name….The ISP that Blidiot uses to access the web is in Hercules, CA, and Blidiot’s REAL identity resides in (or near) Fairfield, CA…the two towns are within 10 miles of each other.
Next, make sure that the age range and known specifics of the two match…in this case, for the most part, they do.
Now, go back to the text samples and look at “frequency of use of certain words” (the number of times key words appear per 1,000 words of text) and if they match more often than not, you can nail the pretty much coffin shut.
People can attempt to hide their identity, but the writing style always sticks out like a sore thumb.
Happy hunting…or would the Blidiot care to fess up?
My bet is the Blidiot doesn’t have the courage.
blogical is none other than catherine moy…..huzzah
Interesting, Bacci…..I believe you may be the winner of the lollipop!
Please correct me if I am wrong, but Ms. Moy is a REPORTER isn’t she? Wouldn’t it be highly UNETHICAL of a REPORTER to misrepresent their identity and to refuse to disclose their personal connection to a subject if, oh…for shits and giggles, let’s just pull a “hypothetical” example out of the air — Let’s say their connection is they recently co-authored a book with that person?
I am sure Ms. Moy practices better ethics than that….but what the heck…Let’s just ask the Blidiot directly.
Oh, Blidiot…you wouldn’t happen to be CATHERINE MOY, or somebody closely connected with CATHERINE MOY, would you?
You mean Ms. Moy…errr…blogicalthought is accusing Mike of unethical behavior that she herself may be guilty of? I’m shocked and dismayed.
According to her link at Melanie’s webpage, “Catherine Moy is an award-winning journalist with multiple honors from prestigious news organizations such as the Society of Professional Journalists.”
Multiple honors? I find it odd that she won’t say from where, except to claim some are from “the Society of Professional Journalists”.
And I find this specially ironic…when you go to the SPJ website, their “Code of Ethics” section, which has a HUGE picture of KNOWN LIBERAL Walter Cronkite (Remember, according to neo-cons, it was Cronkite who caused America to lose faith in the ability to win the Vietnam war, causing Nixon to have to bring the the troops home without the honor of victory) and the Code of Ethics for SPJ states the following…
…Professional integrity is the cornerstone of a journalist’s credibility. Members of the Society share a dedication to ethical behavior and adopt this code to declare the Society’s principles and standards of practice.
Seek Truth and Report It
Journalists should be honest, fair and courageous in gathering, reporting and interpreting information.
Journalists should:
— Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible
— Diligently seek out subjects of news stories to give them the opportunity to respond to allegations of wrongdoing.
— Identify sources whenever feasible. The public is entitled to as much information as possible on sources’ reliability.
— Always question sources’ motives before promising anonymity. Clarify conditions attached to any promise made in exchange for information. Keep promises.
— Make certain that headlines, news teases and promotional material, photos, video, audio, graphics, sound bites and quotations do not misrepresent. They should not oversimplify or highlight incidents out of context.
— Never distort the content of news photos or video. Image enhancement for technical clarity is always permissible.
Label montages and photo illustrations.
— Avoid misleading re-enactments or staged news events. If re-enactment is necessary to tell a story, label it.
— Avoid undercover or other surreptitious methods of gathering information except when traditional open methods will not yield information vital to the public. Use of such methods should be explained as part of the story
— Never plagiarize.
— Tell the story of the diversity and magnitude of the human experience boldly, even when it is unpopular to do so.
— Examine their own cultural values and avoid imposing those values on others.
— Avoid stereotyping by race, gender, age, religion, ethnicity, geography, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance or social status.
— Support the open exchange of views, even views they find repugnant.
— Give voice to the voiceless; official and unofficial sources of information can be equally valid.
— Distinguish between advocacy and news reporting. Analysis and commentary should be labeled and not misrepresent fact or context.
— Distinguish news from advertising and shun hybrids that blur the lines between the two.
— Recognize a special obligation to ensure that the public’s business is conducted in the open and that government records are open to inspection.
Journalists should:
—Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived.
— Remain free of associations and activities that may compromise integrity or damage credibility.
— Refuse gifts, favors, fees, free travel and special treatment, and shun secondary employment, political involvement, public office and service in community organizations if they compromise journalistic integrity.
— Disclose unavoidable conflicts.
— Be vigilant and courageous about holding those with power accountable.
— Deny favored treatment to advertisers and special interests and resist their pressure to influence news coverage.
— Be wary of sources offering information for favors or money; avoid bidding for news.
Journalists should:
— Clarify and explain news coverage and invite dialogue with the public over journalistic conduct.
— Encourage the public to voice grievances against the news media.
— Admit mistakes and correct them promptly.
Golly Gee…How many of these ethical guidelines would you say Ms. Moy has violated here? I’m just a stupid liberal…I don’t think I can count that high.
Hey now, Blogicat did win a public service award back in ‘98 from her lil’ SPJ club. And I’m sure if we dug deep enough she probably got the “most likely to work for a small town newspaper” award back in high school too. So there ya go….multiple.
For your viewing pleasure, kiddies…..here is a link to an episode of HANNITY & colmbs with miss morgan and her..how can we put this delicately… somewhat rotund sidekick, Catherine “Get In Mah Belly!” Moy (you know…the same Catherine Moy who claims to be an “award-winning journalist with multiple honors from prestigious news organizations”).
In this episode, the not-so-dynamic duo of Moy/Morgan attempt to smear Cindy Sheehan, and get brutally smacked down by Alan Colmbs….Moy is the enormous object on the left side of the screen that has more chins than a chinese phonebook, appears to be clad in some sort of black stadium tarp and is sweating worse than Mike Tyson in a spelling bee.
(3w’s)dot crooksandliars.com/2006/10/17/attacking-sheehan-melanie-morgans-obsession/
Have fun!
“Catherine “Get In Mah Belly!” Moy”
I had the 4×4 breakfast in her honor today!
i have no doubt that blogical is either moy or her clone
her attempts at smearing both spocko and mike jibe with how she writes her colomns and the book on sheehan
and she bolstered the argument when she misrepresented my alledged past as a stand up comic…and while i wish i did have the balls to get up there, i must admit, i dont have an ounce of talent….
however, after seeing the rise to fame of dane cook….maybe its now my time
C’mon Billogical
Come out, come out, wherever you are!
Bacci40 said, “trust me, when kramer gets a radio show and says the word nigger repeatedly, i hope no one sponsors the show.”
I see. So you feel its all right for a professional entertainer to stand on the stage of a public place of entertainment, filled with people and point at two black men and repeatedly call them “niggers” as long as they don’t do it repeatedly?
Are you saying it is not offensive if the person only uses the term on occasion, if not used repeatedly?
Finally, are you saying that if someone uses that term only on an occasional basis, you would not call for sponsors not to be sponsor the person?
Do you believe that Michael Richards should be precluded from running for public office as a result of these actions?
He can run all he wants, but he’s not geting anywhere.
So tell us, are you Ms. Moy?
For Chrissakes, give it up, Cath…I mean Blidiot…the current topic of discussion here is Miss Morgan and your connections to her…any last-ditch attempt you make to change the subject is both insanely desparate and hillarious.
LOL! I am flattered, but I am not Ms. Moy. I do not believe she is a grandmother, ever served in the military or worked within public service. I do not believe she retired. Though there may be one commonality. I understand she is from Northern California.
You stated, “the current topic of discussion here is Miss Morgan and your connections to her.”
I believe the current topic of discussion as the heading reads is Mike Stark announcing he is having an issue of plummeting self esteem.
And that is what I have been trying to discuss, however the assortment of alter egos on this site appear to desire to change the topic and discuss other matters….
By the way, I note you are posting back to back and using the screen name “the Spartan.” My neice told me a fascinating story that the Spartans were a gay society whose primary use of women were solely for procreation.
Are you gay and is that why you chose your screen name? If so, I wonder how you feel about sexist, racist and offensive comments such as those minimized by bacci40 and made by Michael Richards? Do you believe Michael Richards should not be considered for public office at any time as a result of those comments?
Thanks.
P.S. To stay on topic, how is Mike doing with his “plummeting self esteem” issue?
Nice try, Cat, but I am not buying the act…you don’t mind if I call you CAT, do you?
No, I am not spartain, Cat.
As for your other inquiry, simply put, that is a question that only a seriously sexually repressed conservitive republican would think it is appropriate to ask…and my answer is:
IT’S NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS!
The SEXUAL orientation of any poster on this board is not of concern to me, and frankly, it I don’t understand why you should be interested in either. How dare you to assume that it would in any way be appropriate for you to ask either. Just who the fuck do you think you are to ask such a personal question of a total stranger? Would you enjoy it if a total stranger just blurted out their curiousity on the topic of whether YOU if you like to suck a big hairy dick on a regular basis? If not, why is it somehow appropriate for YOU to ask?
Personally, the sexual orientation of any given person is of no consequence to me, and has no effect whatsoever on my judgement of the quality of their soul. Please pardon my language, Cat, but FUCK YOU for asking such a stupid question.
Only an incredibly shallow person attempts to categorize people by who and how they choose to express their love of another human being…You need to ask yourself…are you really that shallow?
When you are done answering that, you might want to ask yourself why you would possibly need to know the answer to that question?
Why does it seem to be so important to you to know the sexual orientation of Spartan?
What is the basis of your lewd assumption to inquire the sexual orientation of a total stranger?
Would knowing the answer to such a lewd and inappropriate question about Spartan excite you, or repulse you?
Is it that the idea of knowing the answer fits into some repressed fantasy you only share with your subconscious?
Either way, it appears you may have some MAJOR psychological issues to deal with, Cat…Issues that are probably not covered in DSM-III, so I suggest you get up off your cheap ass and update your library with a fresh copy of DSM-IV.
Now, back to topic….quit stalling and answer the fucking questions. They have been here all along, and they remain your task to answer.
Now, now, “Jeff,”
Take a deep breath, perhaps go and make yourself a nice cup of hot tea and relax. Get up from your chair and take a break from the computer. You really sound as though you’re starting to “lose it.”
The topic headline is Mike’s statement that he is having difficulty with the plummeting of his self esteem. By your repeated demands it sounds as if you are totally obsessed with those radio talk show hosts. And obsession is not a healthy thing, son.
I am sorry if your delusions are not being fulfilled and you are having difficulty facing the reality that I am not the individuals you purport me to be, but simply an everyday person who has a dissenting opinion which is adverse to your own and who has researched the background of the posts made by posters on this site. Reality is there are over a million people within the IP address you traced. Your analogy justifying your logic of determining one’s identity from a screen name on the internet would be like saying, “Perhaps Mike Stark was involved with the Beltway Shooters because he is attending law school in Virginia.” LOL!
Perhaps “Mike” can explain a little about “establishing domain” with his Internet Education background from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in New York.
You boyz sure have some “crazy logic.” There’s Monkeyfister (whom you quote and apparently “associate with”) who claims to be antiviolence but posts about sitting in the dark with his AK47 holding an additional 30 round clip, Bacci40 who sees no problem in the use of the word “ni**er” to refer to blacks in public (as long as they don’t do it everyday– which kind of minimizes Mike Stark’s stalking of Senator Allen to try to get him to admit if he ever used the “n” word) and you with your distorted logic and extreme use of profanity while you obsess on radio show talk hosts. Not to mention Mike, who posts totally unfactual posts, stalks United States Senators to find out about their personal past and whether they have ever uttered the “n” word as well as makes harassing telephone calls “for fun”–who also calls women offensive sexist names, and then there’s Atrios’ blog (Duncan Black of Media Matters) where it is discussed about shooting people who have a different opinion as a response to the internet posts — to Ntodd’s blog which fuels heated debate whether or not if it is rape if a woman tells a man to stop while having sex and he refuses.
This profile of the voice of the antiviolence, tolerant, diverse “new, Progressive Democrat” on the internet is totally fascinating!
Ms. Moy reports for Vacaville Reporter. Vacaville is close to Fairbanks which is close to Travis, AFB. I found several Catherine Moys in the general area.
Here’s a link stating where the interviewer sites at what fish wrapper Ms. Moy works at:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/authors.asp?ID=3
Blogical does state they are both from Northern California but living so close and having the same style of ‘writing’? hmmmmm?
Oh and I think Mike was being facetious. Imo, no one uses the work plummetting unless they, A: looked in the thesauraus for other words meaning decline or descent or B: the more likely facetiousness I mentioned above.
I hope this is relevant information, if not it certainly satisfied my Private Dick fantasies!
Cat, You spout off the “dirt” you believe to have uncovered on others, but it only makes it clear that you seem rather stymied at digging ANY background on me. I have given you none, and will give you none.
Now, Give it up, Cat…answer the fucking questions.
Well, not that it matters but no, I’m not gay. I went to Michigan State (the Spartans), as for your neices “story” that just lets me know that your niece has a great misundertanding of the concept of “gay” in the ancient greek culture but considering your understanding of many things that’s not all that surprising.
Careful, Spartan….even though Cat has no clear evidence that both, or either, of us are actually male, something about posting “too close together” makes her “GAY-dar” scream louder than Jm J. Bullock at a Macy’s red-tag shoe sale.
You know, This reminds me of a story my niece once told me. It is a story about the roots of rampant homophobia on the right often being connected to some repressed incident occurring between the teenage and young adult years.
It makes me wonder if Cat might have done something in college that she is now clearly ashamed happened….
You know how lonely it can be for a fat girl in a dorm with no date on a friday night….it all starts out innocent, commisurating and crying on the shoulder of a sorority sister one moment, and the next thing you know, you are munching carpet with more gusto than Chastity Bono at a Lillith Fair Wrap Party.
No need to hide, Cat…you are among non-judgmental people here. Embrace your life experiences, Cat…there is no need to be so ashamed.
Who knows….maybe you secretly even liked it…maybe it was MORE than once….the message is, nobody here will think the less of you for it….Goodness sakes…I’ve seen what you look like….personally, I’d be more suprised if it DIDN’T happen.
More likely a pitbull and a jar of skippy.
Thank you Spartan. I was hoping to acquire an opinion as to the comments regarding sexism, racism and the rationalization of comments in respect to those subjects from someone who practices an alternative lifestyle.
After the emotionally charged responses of “Jeff,” I took the opportunity in the past few hours to research what had been relayed to me and found in June of 2003, PBS aired a special regarding the Spartans, which was based upon the research of one of the leading cultural experts as well as other modes of research.
According to the experts, the government of Sparta raised the male children, requiring them, just prior to the age of eight, to enter military training and this action was referred to as “agoge.”
They were raised in sub societies which were primarily all male and though they married, they were not allowed to have so much as dinner with their spouse until the age of 25. At the age of 12, they engaged in pederasty, which was a love relationship between an older Spartan male and the youth, intended to mold a beloved “similar to one’s self.” The elder would be a mentor and lover to the youth and they would fight side by side.
Though Spartans married, they often did not wish to leave their male mentor, so women were required to shave their heads and wear clothing like a boy, in order to encourage sexual relationships. The husband, after engaging in acts of sex, would leave the woman and return to the male lover. Women in this society also practiced their own forms of pederasty.
These cultural traditions were documented by Plato who disagreed with them althought Lycurgus approved as well as by many other early Greek scholars and Greek art often depicts these acts.
Adolph Hitler apparently approved of this form of “raising warriors” as in 1922, he started the Hilter Youth Movement in Munich. Though disbanded in 1923, it again revived itself in 1926 following the founding of the Nazi party. There were separate boys groups, aged ten and up, separate girls groups (aged fourteen and up) and a separate group for boys and girls who were under the age of ten. In 1933, they had two million youths participating.
This is also what we are seeing today, practiced by the terrorists as intelligence photos, prior to the 9/11 attacks showed children under the age of twelve practicing military warfare within terorist training camps and children are being trained by Hamas in the Palestinian Occupied Territories (rather terrortories.)
Children soldiers are also used in Africa and Iran. In Iran, during the Iran-Iraq War, they were using children to ride bicycles or run through the minefields. In Palestinian occupied terroritories all the factions used children according to human rights organizations. In Latin America, the terrorist organizations FARC and ELN use children soldiers. Children soldiers also exist in many Asian countries, by terrorists.
The question is, if we don’t fight terrorism now and all these children grow up as professional soldiers, having started well before 9/11, what will the future hold for our grandchildren and generations to come? Certainly ignoring the situation, as suggested by many will not resolve it.
Still stalling with long-winded diatribes having absolutely nothing to do with the topic, I see.
Answer the fucking questions, Cat.
Blogicat,
you said
“Thank you Spartan. I was hoping to acquire an opinion as to the comments regarding sexism, racism and the rationalization of comments in respect to those subjects from someone who practices an alternative lifestyle.”
To what “alternative lifestyle” are you attributing to Spartan. Did he not say he was NOT gay? Or is it in your world the non-gay lifestyle is the alternative? Or is it your reading comprehension sucks about as much as your researching abilities. Apparently, the ancient “reporters” sticking with the “gay” angle mostly came from Athens. You know, the perenial enemy of Sparta? While there were….
many ancient writers held that Spartan pederasty was chaste, though still erotic. Lycurgus decreed that if someone, being himself an honest man, admired a boy’s soul and tried to make of him an ideal friend without reproach and to associate with him, he approved, and believed in the excellence of this kind of training. But if it was clear that the attraction lay in the boy’s outward beauty, he banned the connection as an abomination; and thus he mandated that “boy lovers should keep their hands off boys just as parents do not lay hands on their own children.”
Plutarch also describes the relationships as chaste, and states that it was as unthinkable for a lover to sexually consummate a relationship with his beloved as for a father to do so with his own son.
(Wikipedia)
Of course, you’ve shown quite an ability to skew your past “reporting” to meet the message you want rather than the unbiased, give both sides of the story type that good journalists pursue.
And could you explain the rather large leap of reasoning it took to go from Spartan training methods to having to fight terrorists now?
I see, so you are arguing that the contention of the gay community in citing the Spartan Society’s prior practices of pederasty, as validation to allow gay soldiers to openly practice pederasty, is not correct, as well as dispute that homosexuality goes back to those periods, based upon a brief article in Wikipedia that you read?
Further, it appears you are arguing the experts and PBS were wrong in their assertions and research because Wikipedia states differently?
I have to admit it quite amusing to watch as the Progressive Democrat bloggers tear down the liberal stances, one by one, with their attempts to try to discredit, rather than discuss.
Now, as to your request, “could you explain the rather large leap of reasoning it took to go from Spartan training methods to having to fight terrorists now?”:
As I was doing some research on the Spartans following the comments by “Jeff” OW!
one compelling part of the Spartan culture was the use of children soldiers and children being raised by the government.
It is my belief that we need to look at what occurred in the past, compare it to today and try to resolve tomorrow’s problems by assessing the past. It occurred to me that children soldiers are being used by terrorist organizations and rogue governments, as indicated by photographs taken by the AP, other news sources, intelligence sources, Congressional reports, etc. I believe if we look at the Spartans as a military force and how it grew to its strength, we are seeing the same phenomenom occuring within terrorist organizations, even prior to 9/11, which is a very serious threat not only to our safety, but to global safety.
Its not a far stretch, at all….it only indicates that a problem that was existing in the first few centuries after the death of Christ is still continuing and was a driving force in World War II, as millions of children were trained in the 1920s and 1930s to become a fighting force in the 1940s.
Had there been intervention in Germany following World War I, in respect to the Youth Groups, perhaps there wouldn’t have been such a strong force…
My position working within public service has never involved reporting LOL and I never did any reporting when I was with the military. It wasn’t within the scope of being a 91-b, especially during the early to mid 70s.
The question is, have Americans learned from that lesson of World War I?
No, Cat, the question remains to be why are YOU so desparate to avoid answering the questions that have been put to you.
Spaz, don’t give Ms. Moy the satisfaction of interraction until she comes clean.
Answer the fucking questions, Cat.
Actually it is my understanding from my classes in ancient greek culture that the loving relationship forged between a older Spartan man and a younger boy was not physically intimate in the way you assume, but was forged to provide each young man with one on one tutalage that would allow him to be a succesfull warrior and later a good citizen.
And while it was common for Spartans to begin their military training at a very young age (7 or
they didn’t commonly begin official military service until much later (18-20). Now the research for this PBS special may run counter to that, I don’t know. What I do know is the Prof I studied under was more knowledgable of Greek culture than anyone I’ve met to date.
i would like to thank blogical for being a good wingnut and rewriting history for us all.
the lessons of ww1 had nothing to do with stopping children from being trained as warriors and everything to do with understanding that leaving germany not only defeated but impovershed led to a dicatatorship and ultimately ww2
have we learned?
well, from what is occuring in iraq. i guess not
for instead of allowing the iraqis to rebuild their own country, we have sold it out to the highest bidder…leaving most iraqis impovershed and seeing as their only outlet violence and bloodshed
thanks for the bs histroy lesson….now go back to polluting the minds of your most assuradely fucked up grandchildren
Spartan/Bacci,
Tisk, Tisk, Tisk….Taking classes to educate yourself in a subject is far too time consuming and imposing for your average neocon troll. And that would require alot of that high-falootin’ BOOK learnin’ at one of those UNIVERSITIES…you KNOW that Blidiot has been warned by Sean, Rush, Bill and Melanie that universities are a hotbed of LIBERAL indoctrination. Heck, Melanie didn’t even finish HIGH SCHOOL and look how ‘tellegent SHE is!
Why waste all that time and money on book learnin’ when you can spend the afternoon googling any topic and then declare yourself an expert.
You need to stop thinking with your HEAD and start thinking with your GUT if you want to see the world through Blidot’s perspective.
How do you think with your GUT? First thing you have to do is lodge your own HEAD as far up your own ASS as you can…that puts your brain as close to your gut as it can possibly be.
Only THEN can you start thinking like a neo-con.
blogicat,
“I see, so you are arguing that the contention of the gay community in citing the Spartan Society’s prior practices of pederasty”…
“I have to admit it quite amusing to watch as the Progressive Democrat bloggers tear down the liberal stances, one by one, with their attempts to try to discredit”…
What I find even more amusing is when your new Conservative movement types never actually admit any fault or mistake. That’s what seperates us I suppose. You see we’re not afraid to point out each other’s mistakes, so in this case, yes from most sources I’ve seen to date, the gay community is wrong if indeed they are making that argument against the very writings of the founder of Spartan society/thought. Meanwhile, your side of the aisle clings so desperately to never admitting error, much like your clinging to your one PBS source. So go ahead and disparage the Wikipedia reference, but then again I’d ask why do you often use it yourself as a reference? Hmmmmm?
And if you knew history, you’d know most Americans did learn the lesson of the aftermath of WW1, just not those you support so feverishly. You see, there was this little thing called the Marshall Plan employed after WW2 so the defeated would not be left in economic ruins and become ripe for yet another fanatic led takeover. Unforthunately for your heroes, they’ve managed to so completely mismanage the rebuilding effort in Iraq, the only ones who have benefited are those contractors with both trotters in the public trough.
In the meantime, like Jeff keeps saying, why can’t you seem to answer his questions at all? Afraid of something?
Spaz,
Your posts humor me. I certainly have nothing to fear. Everything I’ve said I am–simply an everyday American, a woman, a mother, a grandmother, a retired public servant, a former member of the military who is exercising my voice. And no, I am not scared about anything. It takes a lot more than the idle threats of a couple of anonymous internet bullies to intimidate me.
As far as Americans learning the lessons of World War I, I tend to disagree with you. In fact, we didn’t get into World War II into late in the game, after the mass genocide of an almost entire race of people and the near destruction of one of our closest allies, Great Britain. In fact, we didn’t get into World War II, until after WE were attacked, choosing to standby and watch the carnage occur. Had we become involved earlier, I believe the devastatation wouldn’t have been as bad. In fact, we lost 408,000 soldiers during that War. One has to wonder how many we would lose in the War on Terror, if we didn’t act…especially if the balance of power is lost in the Middle East.
In the Iraq War, total, during the same amount of time as World War II, we have lost 3,121 soldiers, due to combat AND other fatalities. It is tragic, however, when you consider, in 2005, alone, in a state the size of Iraq, over 2,508 people were murdered in California…..its apparent our troops are doing something right in being able to protect themselves against the enemy and our legislators are doing something very wrong.
We have never been engaged in any conflict, which has lasted as long as this has, and had so few casualties. And we have to give that credit to the outstanding training and work of the courageous young men and women who are over there.
We also have to give credit to people like Melanie Morgan and Catherine Moy, who are standing tall in support of them. I greatly admire their efforts in sending over eighteen tons of coffee and cookies to the troops, encouraging letter writing campaigns, adopting platoons of troops and supporting the courageous young men and women who were sent off by CONGRESS to fight a war.
People like Melanie Morgan and Catherine Moy, as well as Michelle Malkin have actually gone to Iraq to see the conditions. Melanie has been there several times. People like Melanie Morgan and Catherine Moy stand by the families of the troops and have taken a contingency of families to Iraq–those who have lost their children–to see the accomplishments they made and how much their lives did matter.
People like Melanie Morgan and Catherine Moy stand behind the memories of those who have fallen, honoring them as heroes and have dedicated hundreds of hours to making the world a better place for some.
THEY are heroes of today, not afraid to stand up and state what they believe and act on it.
People like Melanie Morgan, Catherine Moy, Tammy Bruce, Michelle Malkin and yes, Ann Coulter, as well as countless hundreds of others have incredible courage. They have the strength to express their views and interesting enough, it appears the “boyz” of the “Progressive Democrats” are intimidated by strong women who stand up and say what they believe.
When was the last time David Brock or any member of Media Matters actually went to Iraq to actually see what was occurring on the ground? While they are busy “correcting” the statements of the mainstream media (mostly stating they were unable to find the data disputing the statement) when was the last time they had (excuse the term) “the balls” to get out of their desks and away from their safe little lives to go to Iraq and actually do the real research?
I, for one, know what its like to have a loved one serve during a time of war and I, myself, served during a time of war. I know how it feels to be mother of a soldier, how it feels to be a sister of a soldier, a daughter of a soldier, a granddaughter of a soldier, a great granddaughter of a soldier, a great, great granddaughter of a soldier, a mother in law of a soldier, what its like to serve during time of war…and I know how it feels to lose a loved one as a result of war.
I know the realities of violence…I’ve lived the realities of violence and its amazing to watch the members of the “Progressive Democrats,” of which very few have experienced what over 1,000,000 of our young men and women today are experiencing…
I fear for the generations to come, with this society that has such a strong sense of self entitlement and little respect for others, as well as the fear for the continuation of the rights afforded to us by those who sacrificed so we could live the way we do…..just so someone can try to promote their own political agendaes.
So, “Jeff’s” petty questions and his personal obsession due to his own political bias, mean nothing to me. His goal has nothing to do with making America stronger or better or protecting it….but has everything to do with partisan interests.
He is more interested in tearing people down and tearing them apart rather than building. He is more interested in “National Enquirer” type games, than real life. As for Mike Stark, he is more interested in how he can manipulate an election and pull stunts to garner attention, than the state of the country. It isn’t about America or Americans for them, its only about them. That’s the difference between the Mike Starks and the Melanie Morgans.
“Bacci40″ can rationalize racism, as long as it is done by someone who shares his own political views–his values are arbitrary and “up for sale.” They don’t indicate any compassion or respect for the equality of others…his comments are condescending toward those of a different race.
“Jeff” and “Mike” call women offensive names and attack