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	<title>Comments on: I call it &#8220;Piss off your friends day&#8221;&#8230;</title>
	<link>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2007/04/20/i-call-it-piss-off-your-friends-day/</link>
	<description>Kickin' ass on the lyin' side:  A never-ending battle against stupid, ugly, deceitful and corrupt right-wing water carriers...</description>
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		<title>By: UVA 2L</title>
		<link>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2007/04/20/i-call-it-piss-off-your-friends-day/#comment-104863</link>
		<author>UVA 2L</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 04:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2007/04/20/i-call-it-piss-off-your-friends-day/#comment-104863</guid>
		<description>Mike,

I'm glad to hear that the real world description of the D&#38;E abortion procedure has given you pause. It &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a gruesome procedure and a moral outrage.

I could say much, but will address two specific points. You said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;In the end, &lt;strong&gt;I recognize the ugliness and moral repugnance of the procedure&lt;/strong&gt;, and I’ll concede it to my opponents, just as I hope they would concede to me that war and starvation is ugly.  But just as war and starvation are tolerated because they serve some larger moral goal, I’m gonna tolerate abortion because it serves a larger moral goal:  &lt;strong&gt;ensuring that when a baby is born, it’s wanted and loved&lt;/strong&gt;.  I’ve seen too many reports of babies being left in toilets or dumpsters.  I’ve witnessed too many kids born into abusive families.  &lt;strong&gt;Or born with developmental disabilities because mom was an alcoholic…&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

First, what about adoption? Why not ban partial-birth abortion and ease the way for those women who do not want and/or cannot properly care for their children to put them up for adoption to be cared for by parents who would love and provide for them? Since you recognize the moral tragedy that is partial-birth abortion, why not seek an alternative? After all, we seek peace talks, negotiations, etc. as alternatives to war. Why stick with the morally repugnant partial-birth abortion option?

Second, I share your desire that every child born into this world be wanted and loved. It's tragic when children are not cared for and not loved. Along those lines, is it really loving to end the life of a child (in the womb--or partly in the woman and partly outside of the womb)? Is it a good justification to say that the child would have a developmental disability and therefore is a "life not worth living?" A good friend of mine works with the mentally handicapped (young adults and adults) in New York City (as a teacher/life helper). He's told me many heart-warming stories of the people he works with. What a tragedy to say that their disability would have justified ending their lives in the womb.

I hope your new son is doing well. I'll see ya around the Law School.

Regards,
UVA 2L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to hear that the real world description of the D&amp;E abortion procedure has given you pause. It <i>is</i> a gruesome procedure and a moral outrage.</p>
<p>I could say much, but will address two specific points. You said:</p>
<blockquote><p>In the end, <strong>I recognize the ugliness and moral repugnance of the procedure</strong>, and I’ll concede it to my opponents, just as I hope they would concede to me that war and starvation is ugly.  But just as war and starvation are tolerated because they serve some larger moral goal, I’m gonna tolerate abortion because it serves a larger moral goal:  <strong>ensuring that when a baby is born, it’s wanted and loved</strong>.  I’ve seen too many reports of babies being left in toilets or dumpsters.  I’ve witnessed too many kids born into abusive families.  <strong>Or born with developmental disabilities because mom was an alcoholic…</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>First, what about adoption? Why not ban partial-birth abortion and ease the way for those women who do not want and/or cannot properly care for their children to put them up for adoption to be cared for by parents who would love and provide for them? Since you recognize the moral tragedy that is partial-birth abortion, why not seek an alternative? After all, we seek peace talks, negotiations, etc. as alternatives to war. Why stick with the morally repugnant partial-birth abortion option?</p>
<p>Second, I share your desire that every child born into this world be wanted and loved. It&#8217;s tragic when children are not cared for and not loved. Along those lines, is it really loving to end the life of a child (in the womb&#8211;or partly in the woman and partly outside of the womb)? Is it a good justification to say that the child would have a developmental disability and therefore is a &#8220;life not worth living?&#8221; A good friend of mine works with the mentally handicapped (young adults and adults) in New York City (as a teacher/life helper). He&#8217;s told me many heart-warming stories of the people he works with. What a tragedy to say that their disability would have justified ending their lives in the womb.</p>
<p>I hope your new son is doing well. I&#8217;ll see ya around the Law School.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
UVA 2L</p>
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		<title>By: secularhumanizinevoluter</title>
		<link>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2007/04/20/i-call-it-piss-off-your-friends-day/#comment-68823</link>
		<author>secularhumanizinevoluter</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 17:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2007/04/20/i-call-it-piss-off-your-friends-day/#comment-68823</guid>
		<description>Ya know, maybe the fundies ARE right! First we outlaw abortion, make it a capitol offense. Hell, if the woman was gonna snuff a BABY she should be snuffed herself donchathink!?! And DEFINITLY a DEATH penalty for jerkin off! Think about the THOUSANDS of potential BABIES the reprobaits are shooting all over the sheets!!!!! Yeah, yeah, and make sure only married heterosexual couples are allowed to fuck and ONLY to make babies!!!! There, good ol christofacist FAMBLY VALUUUUUUES!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya know, maybe the fundies ARE right! First we outlaw abortion, make it a capitol offense. Hell, if the woman was gonna snuff a BABY she should be snuffed herself donchathink!?! And DEFINITLY a DEATH penalty for jerkin off! Think about the THOUSANDS of potential BABIES the reprobaits are shooting all over the sheets!!!!! Yeah, yeah, and make sure only married heterosexual couples are allowed to fuck and ONLY to make babies!!!! There, good ol christofacist FAMBLY VALUUUUUUES!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Slam</title>
		<link>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2007/04/20/i-call-it-piss-off-your-friends-day/#comment-60281</link>
		<author>Uncle Slam</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 21:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2007/04/20/i-call-it-piss-off-your-friends-day/#comment-60281</guid>
		<description>"hehe — that’s like talking to me about santa claus. both fictional."

It's also like talking to Professor Fartsworth about grammar and diction:  mim no understand.  hehe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;hehe — that’s like talking to me about santa claus. both fictional.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also like talking to Professor Fartsworth about grammar and diction:  mim no understand.  hehe</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Slam</title>
		<link>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2007/04/20/i-call-it-piss-off-your-friends-day/#comment-60279</link>
		<author>Uncle Slam</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 21:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2007/04/20/i-call-it-piss-off-your-friends-day/#comment-60279</guid>
		<description>"But just as war and starvation are tolerated because they serve some larger moral goal, I’m gonna tolerate abortion because it serves a larger moral goal:  ensuring that when a baby is born, it’s wanted and loved."

What a load of bullshit.  No fetus asks to be born.  And if those engaging in sex aren't able to want of love a child, then they need to make sure pregnancy will not happen.  It's quite interesting to see you refer to a baby as "it"...that says everything about your political stance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But just as war and starvation are tolerated because they serve some larger moral goal, I’m gonna tolerate abortion because it serves a larger moral goal:  ensuring that when a baby is born, it’s wanted and loved.&#8221;</p>
<p>What a load of bullshit.  No fetus asks to be born.  And if those engaging in sex aren&#8217;t able to want of love a child, then they need to make sure pregnancy will not happen.  It&#8217;s quite interesting to see you refer to a baby as &#8220;it&#8221;&#8230;that says everything about your political stance.</p>
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		<title>By: Professor Farnsworth</title>
		<link>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2007/04/20/i-call-it-piss-off-your-friends-day/#comment-59706</link>
		<author>Professor Farnsworth</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 00:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/2007/04/20/i-call-it-piss-off-your-friends-day/#comment-59706</guid>
		<description>Only God can take away the guilt and regret you feel and I pray you will reach out to Him. 1 John 1:9.
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hehe -- that's like talking to me about santa claus. both fictional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only God can take away the guilt and regret you feel and I pray you will reach out to Him. 1 John 1:9.<br />
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<p>hehe &#8212; that&#8217;s like talking to me about santa claus. both fictional.</p>
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